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Paul Gallaher photo. Boza Prodigalidad, right, and her daughter Nicole ride in a truck bed with members of PFLAG during Temecula’s Fourth of July Parade in Old Town. Paul Gallaher photo. Shannon Brewster (right) and his sister Heather
Evans march with other members of PFLAG during Temecula’s Fourth of July parade in Old Town last Saturday.
Friday, July 10th, 2009. Issue 28, Volume 9. Inspired by Barack Obama’s election as America’s first African-American president, a gay and lesbian support group broke new ground of its own in Temecula on the Fourth of July. For the first time, members of a local chapter of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) marched in Temecula’s Star Spangled Banner Parade in Old Town. Offering a new look at the 17th annual event – which coincided with the 150th anniversary of the community’s hardscrabble beginning – about 40 members of the group joined an eclectic mix of parade floats, marching bands and politically tinged displays. Vinnie Pompei, vice president of the southwest Riverside County PFLAG chapter, said members decided about six months ago to participate in their first Temecula parade. "The city was very welcoming of us," Pompei said. "They didn’t make us feel strange. We commend them." The goal, he said, was to underscore the group’s patriotic underpinnings. "We’re moving in the right direction," Pompei, a Temecula resident, said of the wave of change that has swept the nation as a result of President Obama’s victory. "We’re more open-minded and we’re doing the right thing." Pompei was flanked by other members of the group, which formed several years ago, as they waited in a shady spot prior to the start of the parade. Moments later, they stepped off the curb and into the bright sunlight for the half-mile walk to the north end of the city’s historic business district. One PFLAG member carried a sign that read: "I love my LBGF." Another sign extolled: "God bless PFLAG." Yet another proclaimed: "I love my gay Marine." Some PFLAG members bore a human rights logo – a yellow equal sign set against a blue background – which stands for equality. Some wore t-shirts emblazoned with the word "Proudally." PFLAG has more than 500 affiliates throughout the United States, including its southwest Riverside County chapter, according to the national organization’s web site. Some local group members sat in the back of a pickup as they plied the parade route. PFLAG Temecula dedicated its march to two 11-year-old boys, who have recently become symbols of the gay and lesbian civil rights movement, by displaying their pictures on a poster positioned on the vehicle’s front doors. On April 6, one of the boys, Carl Walker-Hoover of Massachusetts, made national headlines when he hanged himself. His family later attributed the suicide to anti-gay slurs and innuendos the boy had suffered at the hands of acquaintances. The boy’s mother said on Oprah Winfrey’s television show that much of the verbal abuse her son endured stemmed from a classmate’s comment: "You act like you’re feminine." Jaheem Herrera is said to have taken his own life for the same reason 10 days later in Georgia. Pompei said it is sad that such a show of support is necessary to demonstrate the need for basic human rights. "There are a huge percentage of parents in this community kicking their children, who are still in high school, out of homes," he said. "We really want to be there in case anyone needs us. We love and accept everyone, and we are all volunteers." "We have distraught kids who don’t know where to Advertisement Trailing the PFLAG vehicle was a rainbow of red, orange, yellow, blue, green and purple balloons, which the group members followed down Old Town Front St. In order to compensate for gasps and other spectator reactions, a few supporters in the crowd mustered shouts and applauses as the group passed by. Pompei said he knew of at least 100 people who came to the parade to show their support for the group’s premier appearance. Marching behind PFLAG, Wildomar’s VFW Post 1508 struck a vein of popular enthusiasm as its members marched into view. Not far behind PFLAG were the Temecula Valley Twirlers and Pom, a baton twirling and cheerleading group, wearing black, white and pink costumes. Knights of Columbus members made their presence known with loud staccato bursts of "left, left, left, right, left." A Riverside County Fire Department truck blasted its horns and siren along the route, actions that drew some of the most appreciative responses from spectators. Other veteran groups, beauty pageant winners, equestrian clubs, a Boston Tea Party float carrying Jose Compean – a former Border Patrol agent convicted of shooting an undocumented immigrant in Texas – and a black GMC Sierra that had "Jesus Christ will transform your life" painted on its doors helped round out the procession. After the parade, onlookers offered a range of reactions to PFLAG’s appearance. "I guess anyone can march in a parade," said Steve Jokela, a nine-year Temecula resident. Camp Pendleton serviceman Ethan Stroud, 18, said he objected to PFLAG’s participation. "It ruined the whole parade," said Stroud, a Florida native. "It was disturbing to see their kind out there." A 19-year-old serviceman from Colorado said he shared Stroud’s views but he declined to identify himself to a reporter. Cindy Riem of Rainbow said she also thought the group’s involvement was inappropriate. "There were a lot of kids in the audience who have Christian parents trying to set an example for them," Riem said. "The Fourth of July parade is wonderful. It brings the community together. I’m surprised [city officials] let them in." Brittaney Bennett said she had no problem with PFLAG’s participation. Her boyfriend, 23-year-old Bryan Wapner, said he had no opinion. Some Independence Day celebrators didn’t know of PFLAG’s purpose when they were asked to comment. Most had no opinion when the acronym was explained. Passing out religious tracts, Juanito Lim said that it was fine that PFLAG marched. He didn’t come to Temecula for the parade. Instead, the 37-year-old Menifee resident and Calvary Chapel Bible Fellowship member said he comes to Old Town every Saturday to tell people how they can be saved by Jesus Christ. "Everyone has his own opinion," Lim said of PFLAG. City officials said they had no qualms about opening the parade to PFLAG members and stated they had received no complaints afterward. "Everyone is allowed to participate," Dawn Adamiak, the city’s parade organizer and senior recreation coordinator, said in a telephone interview three days after the event. "We don’t turn anyone away until we hit our magic number [of entries]."
59 comments for "Gay support group steps out"2:02 pm Fri, Jul 10th, 2009 1. Chris Van Haften says :I remember being heartbroken and disgusted that we live in a society where 11 year old children (Jaheem Harrera and Carl Walker-Hoover) are committing suicide after being the targets of relentless and homophobic bullying. Is it any surprise that children feel justified to cruelly tease and torment peers who might be gay when adults make comments like PFLAG "ruined the whole parade" or "it was disturbing to see their kind out there"? Yes, we have a long way to go before reaching the goal of equality for all. But it gives me hope that PFLAG is taking a more visible stance in the community to shine a light of the effects of ignorance and inequality. 2:02 pm Fri, Jul 10th, 2009 2. mom of lots says :how embarassing. Thanks for the warning on parades. Have to check them out before I bring my kids. ![]() 2:03 pm Fri, Jul 10th, 2009 3. mom of lots says :You know what, I love my heterosexual mother and my heterosexual friend and my heterosexual teacher. I mean come on! Keep your sex life to yourself. No one wants to hear about it. 2:04 pm Fri, Jul 10th, 2009 4. J.C. Stark says :This was a very well written article. PFLAG marched in the 4th of July Parade to demonstrate their patriotism, and to reaffirm the fact that we are all American citizens. Gay, straight, bi, transgender...we all love our country! At the same time, this article truly shows the mentality of the Temeculan people. Most are very disciminatory and have no compassion or tolerance to anything or anyone who is different then what is considered the "Christian Social norm". I feel this is demonstrated clearly by the comment made of " I’m surprised [city officials] let them in." Referring to a group of individuals as "them" is biased and sad. As a member of PFLAG and a resident of Temecula for 17 years, I was here before this area became so ultra conservative. All people want the same things. Peace, happiness, and the right to love whom they love. Temecula is just going to have to accept the fact that the world is made up of many different people and view points. We are all human and deserve equality: marching in the city parade was a truly American act, and one I am proud of. 2:05 pm Fri, Jul 10th, 2009 5. Leigh says :I think that it is absolutely wonderful that PFLAG took part in this parade. Like other groups that took part in the festivities, they had a message and dream to promote. 2:06 pm Fri, Jul 10th, 2009 6. Bill says :“It ruined the whole parade,” said Ethan Stroud, 18, a Florida native. “It was disturbing to see their kind out there.” Someone should tell Ethan Stroud that HE is ALREADY ruined by his homophobia. What a disgusting individual. And at on 18 year old. Morals indeed, Heteros. Morals, indeed. 10:17 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 7. I love Temecula says :I love Temecula and the conservative views everyone seems to have that is one of the main reasons we moved here it is so family oriented. 10:18 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 8. Laura says :It filled my heart with joy to walk proudly through the street of this town that I've lived in for over 7 years now. I used to have a difficult time walking in public because of the horrible things people, especially in conservative areas, say and do to anyone outside the social norm. "I'm surprised they let them in" and "...their kind..." are extremely dehumanizing statements and having people view you in such a manner can be a scary thing. Being dehumanized makes people feel justified in committing crimes against you and even at times being violent to you. I feel all too much non-social-majority Americans are treated as if they aren't American let alone people at all. If you look at our military you will see war HEROES being stripped of their jobs while they could be out there fighting for the country the love, just as much as any other American, and doing a good job at it. For me it was an opportunity to go out there and say, "Hey, I'm queer and I love America." and having the freedom to go out in public and express that you aren't like everyone else is a huge part of what makes America such a wonderful country. 10:18 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 9. Althea says :You would be surprised at the number of people that come to PFLAG meetings that have not been able to tell their families that they are gay, lesbian or transgendered. Imagine being afraid that your family would not love you! Mom of Lots should be careful with her thoughtless comments. She may have a child that is part of the LBGT community. Is she going to be one of those parents that throws their kid out on the streets? Be careful....you don't know what you don't know. Thank you PFLAG for being there when others are not! There is room for everybody here in the Temecula Valley. And Bill is correct Ethan is ruined. And yes at 18 it's pathetic. 10:19 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 10. Christopher A. Geiman says :I must agree with "Mom of Lots." I would be greatly saddened if my children were subjected to the mindless, hateful views of the Calvary Chapel. I for one am thankful my children did not have to witness their disdainful, disgusted, disapproving glares as they passed the PFLAG group. I would have been quite embarrassed, had my children heard that young boys parent tell them they could not have they "gay balloon" because it was "filthy." Thank you, "Mom of lots," for assisting in the continuation of discrimination for a major population of the world. For, without such discriminations, the world would only be a better place. Wouldn't want that. 10:19 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 11. Angry Dad in Temecula says :I'm getting sick and tired of having the homosexual agenda crammed down my throat. The gay activists cannot have it both ways . . . they want their privacy in the bedroom yet they march publicly on the streets advocating their so called PRIVATE bedroom behavior. Which is it...PUBLIC or PRIVATE? If you truly want privacy rights, then stop force feeding your agenda in places like PUBLIC school classrooms and parades and such. You cannot eat your cake yet still have it at the same time. Why is it that nobody sees other weird niche sexual lifestyles out there marching with their own contingency in the town parade? What about people who like whips and chains? What about weirdos who have a fetish for animals or the dead? What about the polygamists or the pedophiles? In addition, while it may seem politcally commendable that the election of the the "Messianic" B.Hussein Obama as President motivated PFLAG to march in this parade, I distinctly remember B. Hussein Obama stating that he firmly beleives that marriage is between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN. How does PFLAG resolve this glaring inconsistency? There is obviously no logic, reason or rationale coming from these homosexual activists. They only act out based upon their immature emotions. It's time to grow up and learn how human reproduction works. May I suggest a local college class in Biology 101? Come on now, figure it out. Good day, eh! 10:20 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 12. Michelle says :Yup, that was my 'favorite' quote too. "It was disturbing to see their kind out there." Could young Mr. Stroud have picked a worse phrase to use? It sure seems like a throwback to the days of racial integration. "Their kind?" Are you kidding me? To Mom of Lots: On one hand, I can understand your comment about not making such a huge deal about one's sexuality. It really should be a non-issue. But at the same time, the whole movement isn't *just* about people's sexuality; for PFLAG and so many groups like them, the bigger picture is about a group of people feeling they are being negatively treated by the majority of society, even when it comes down to basic rights they feel all citizens should have. If it had been a group of people (here I go again with the racial example) saying, "We're proud to be Black and we feel we're being treated unfairly," would it have been different? It really wasn't so long ago that people would've been in an uproar about non-Whites being included in a parade. On a related note: I know many consider race and sexuality to be on entirely different levels of what is proper to be discussed in public and what is not; I don't have an argument for that. I truly can understand those who believe it's just not appropriate, especially for an event where children are present. 10:20 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 13. Loren S says :To "mom of lots"... you are showing your ignorance when you say "keep your sex life to yourself". As far as I am aware, nobody from PFLAG in the parade was having male-on-male or female-on-female sex in public. Being in love with someone and having a "sex life" are two different things. Be honest... event though they WERE keeping their sex lives to themselves, that isn't what really bothers you, is it? What really bothers you is that you are afraid of anyone different than you. It's called bigotry and discrimination. Shame on you! 10:20 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 14. Chris says :RE: mom of lots Nobody ever mentioned sex until you did. Your mind for some reason went there and I never understand why so many do. But I do apprecaite you proving the point that it should not be anybody's business who you love. It is a private matter. The public matter is educating people like yourself who tell Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Transgender children they are less than you simply for how they feel. Love does NOT equal sex until you say it does and that is a very disturbing message. I did not see any "sex life" on display in the parade but I did see a lot of patriotism from people who do a lot of good in our community. 10:21 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 15. Sandra says :I was at first suprised to see gay people marching in the parade in Temecula. I was with my husband and three children and we still had a wonderful time. I teach my children tolerance and not to judge people. I found all of the members in the PFLAG group to be very professional. My husband and I spoke about the parade over dinner later that night and we both determined that we thought it was a great idea for PFLAG to march. God bless those poor young kids who killed themselves after being treated that way in schools. I think this sends a loud and important message that we all need to teach our kids to no bully and to treat all people of diversity with respect and love. As a Christian, I believe that is what God would do. Good job PFLAG. Keep up the good work. 10:25 am Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 16. anotherview says :The dysfunction of homosexuality has nothing to do with human rights or civil rights. Homosexuality instead goes to non-normative activity, whereby humans of the same gender mutually practice sexual relations. This non-normative behavior contrasts with the normative heterosexuality, by which the procreation of the human race occurs. Yet, modern society acknowledges the authentic relations of homosexuals by offering them a civil union which equates with marriage. This profound disorder of mind, however, results in sexual confusion for youngsters who experience the homosexual impulses contrary to the normative function of their gender. The parents of budding homosexuals, not the general public and not the school-age population, enjoy the responsibility of stewarding their sexually confused offspring to accept their mental disorder. Homosexuality evidently arises from both a genetic defect and a proclivity to it furthered by a social environment conducive to its practice. In any event, toleration of homosexuality, but with limits, offers a more cohesive model of society. The practical limits of homosexuality remain two-fold. One, homosexuals of the same gender cannot mate and produce fertile offspring. Two, in turn, homosexuals can never fulfill the natural purpose of marriage, namely, to cement a family unit, with its social cradle for the offspring. In a family, children of both genders look to their parents of different genders for the proper role model for that gender. As well, a little boy needs both a mother and a father, and likewise for a little girl. Meanwhile, homosexuals must acknowledge the limits of homosexuality, while normative society must accept the basic humanity of homosexuals. 11:29 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 17. mom of lots says :Michelle- of all the statements, I appreciate yours the most. It is the most balanced and respectful. You show not only compassion, but respect. Thank you. Christopher: "discriminate"- "make or see a difference between; distinguish, make a distinction". You are correct that I see a difference between heterosexual and homosexual. The first is created to produce offspring- the cornerstone of all families, the continuation of a family lineage. The first is created to become one flesh. The first does not go against nature. The second was not created to be able to produce offspring, continue a family lineage, or to become one flesh and goes against nature. I do distinguish between the two. Our Creator created man and woman to become one flesh. He also commands us to love one another. I love heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. You will never see me treat either differently, but I can distinguish a difference because there simply is. Althea- I thought about my comments before I posted them, as I do with all my comments. It was not thoughtless. If one of my children told me they were homosexual, I would not throw them out onto the streets. Loren- I do not appreciate others using a parade as an opportunity to show everyone what their sexual preferences are (wether they prefer a male or a female "partner"). It is not my business nor do I want it made to be. Especially, not my children. Just like it is your right to be gay, it is my right to decipher the timing and teach my children when I deem fit about homosexual lifestyles. 11:29 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 18. altheal says :anotherview....at least we know you are skilled at cut & paste. Too bad you can't find something that isn't so antiquated. Your text books are surely older than you are. 11:29 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 19. C. Mason says :This was the best 4th of July I've ever had. Hearing hateful comments from some makes me sad. I stood proudly and marched with PFLAG (Parents, Friends, and Family of Lesbians and Gays). I only heard one or two negative things as we marched. It wasn't really about whether we are gay or not. We marched because we are a growing part of Temecula and are American Citizens. Mr Stoud, you're derogitory remarks make me sad. I am curious to know what was so bad about PFLAG's participation. You have a lot to learn about people. Temecula's chapter of PFLAG has done a lot for the community and is very happy we got to march in the parade. 11:31 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 20. Laura says :Since people are all getting into "Biology 101" here I thought I should point out the fact that gay men and transgender people have been found to have differences in the brain than of a heterosexual person. So all of the efforts to "pray away the gay" and force people to be "strait" not only fail but they suppress a person’s true nature causing a backlash later. As for homosexuality being a dysfunction?... The only dysfunctional part of being a gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender, is the fact that society is so cruel towards them. I've met families with same sex parents that are very normal and we all know of families with heterosexual parents who are not only poor role models but there are just terrible parents in general. If you're going to go labeling things a disorder you must remember the 3 "d’s" of a disorder. Dysfunction- We (of the LGBT community) all are able to do the things we "need to" do in order to survive and satisfy our basic needs. If a person receives an injury and they are rendered sterile, we don't tell them "you have a disorder." No, we might suggest they adopt though. Being LGB or T does not prevent one from doing what is needed to live a decent life due to anything internal. The only difficult part is dealing with discrimination.(an external source of dysfunction, which doesn’t count) Being gay lesbian bi or transgender is not a dysfunction. Distress-I’m not personally distressed about being transgender. As a matter of fact I wouldn’t want to change it at all because this makes me who I am and quite frankly I’m happy with myself. I’m certain that much of the LGBT community will tell you the same thing and once again the only distress caused to a LGBT person is not internal. Deviance-Well I guess you got us on this one because we are different from the majority, “or at least that is how it appears…” For anything to be a Disorder they have to follow ALL of these three D’s and this is also why the APA is trying to get “gender identity disorder” removed from the big book of mental disorders. Maybe some of us aren’t here to reproduce but we are to increase the quality of life for those who are already amongst us and are in need. 11:32 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 21. Christopher A. Geiman says :I never understood the phrase "get your cake and eat it too." Who in their right mind buys a cake and doesn't want to eat it? Dear "Angry Dad" (a title previously held by one, Homer Simpson), I'm not sure what 'parade' you were watching, but I can assure you that no Homosexual Activists were having sex in the Temecula parade. I would like to point out that PFLAG is an organization of PARENTS, FRIENDS and FAMILIES of the homosexual community, not an organization of homosexuals. PFLAG was in that parade to honor 2 young boys who killed themselves because of Gay Bashing students in school and in their neighborhood (I'm ashamed that you disapprove of this purpose). I can assure you, those children did not learn "Gay Bashing" in their PUBLIC SCHOOL, that is something learnt from the PRIVACY of their own home, which they brought into their PUBLIC school. What PFLAG and the Homosexual community desire is nothing more than the same RIGHTS and FREEDOMS which you have. I want the RIGHT to visit my husband in the hospital, or ride with him in the Ambulance when he is on the verge of death, but instead, I can wait outside while the person I have loved and been with half my life dies. That sounds fair, right? Heterosexuals commited to marriage have over 1,000 government issued benefits and protections, only a fraction of which are given to those of a 'civil union' or domestic partnership. So is it such a wrong thing to want for ones own family the same benefits and protections given to the family next door? This "Homosexual Agenda" people keep speaking of is nothing more than wishing to live in their neighborhood peacefully, without the risk of being beaten for who they are, without the insults, the personal attacks, the disapproval of their neighbors. Imagine you, yourself, have done nothing wrong, you have only been true to yourself, and your neighbors berate you, hate you, and publicly announce their disapproval of you and "your kind." I feel I am only ranting now, so I will leave with this; May I suggest a local college course in Psychology? Perhaps you can learn a few things on the subject. 11:33 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 22. J.C. Stark says :Sandra....your words were beautiful and they touched my heart. I wish all people could be as kind, compassionate and educated as your family obivously is. Thank you. And may God bless you always. As for "Anotherview" My thoughts would be, for you to perhaps study more on what homosexuality is. Your statement that it is a "profound disorder of the mind" and a "genetic deffect" Are both very wrong; ask the American Psychiatric Association and they will tell you as much. It takes love and patience to raise a family. Any parent can attest to this. It is not about gender or gender roles. If it was, then single parents would have no chance. As for reproduction....well many heterosexual couples choose not to reproduce, or due to some situation simply can't reproduce. In your mind...are they any less right in being married or being a couple? If your logic is that marriage and family is all about reproduction, then if two people can not produce offspring, than they should not be allowed to be together. How logical is that? Adoption is a beautiful thing. So many kids need loving homes. Many gay and straight people choose to adopt and it is wonderful! It does not take one man and one woman to cement a family unit, it takes people who love. And please do not go off on the tangent of incest, pedophelia, and people marrying their pets. Those are not conscenting relationships, and we all know it is not the same thing. Two adults who choose to create a loving home, is needed in this world. And please know...I moved here because of this cities family environment and schools. My husband and I are raising two beautiful daughters here, of whom we are so very proud. This is not about tearing down family values, but about opening minds to what familes really are. Love. 11:34 pm Sat, Jul 11th, 2009 23. H. Wednesday says :Nice article. I was somewhat scared to march with PFLAG here because it's such a conservative city(and I hate being stared/scowled at), but I was really glad I did it. I'm a US citizen and a resident of Temecula for 11 years. This place is especially harsh and alienating to queer people, and because of this I wasn't comfortable coming out of the closet until I was 22. I marched in the Temecula parade once before; truth be told, I'm sure MANY LGBT people have marched in the parade over the years. This is just the first time we've been visible to you. PFLAG is a wonderful organization that's trying to make life a little more safe for LGBT people. It's an organization that's helping an isolated minority to be able to *live* without shame, discrimination, and violence. It was extremely hard for me personally to find the will to live with the entire world telling me I should be ashamed of who I am and who I love. I've played worship in your churches over the years. I've marched in the Temecula parade. I've given quite a lot to this city over the years.. and on July 4th I was finally visible. If it's disturbing to see "our kind" anywhere, please realize that you've been seeing us everywhere your entire life and don't think anything of us until we try to live our lives openly like you do. 9:00 am Sun, Jul 12th, 2009 24. straight, but previous homo feelings says :For those of you who are open minded enough to understand the real agenda of people in parades like this, I suggest you read a book by a woman that was in a homosexual relationship and understands the agenda behind that movement. The book is titled "The Death of Right and Wrong" and the author is Tammy Bruce. 9:03 am Sun, Jul 12th, 2009 25. Christopher A. Geiman says :"Mom of lots" - Your definition is only a partial defenition. Discrimination; to note or observe (or create) a difference in favor or against a person or a thing on the basis of the group or category to which the person or thing belongs, rather than according to it's actual merit. Basically meaning, favoring or disfavoring a person or thing based solely upon who or what they are. Your defenition is no different than saying "I see a difference." We all know the meaning of discrimination, so please, do not pretend it is anything other than what it is. I apologize if I seem disrepectful, but you must admit that saying it is "embarassing" for respectable members of your city to participate in a community event can very easily be percieved as a form of disrespect.... not to mention, a form of discrimination and dehumanization... To put it simply, it's just plain rude. You state that you are EMBARASSED that a group of parents and friends of suicide victims and bullied children (to which their participation is acredited) chose to show their support of their community and show other potential victims that there are others out there, others who will be there to help them and support them if they need it. Homosexuality does not, by any means, go against nature. It is a regular occurance in nature. Many people like to say "Humans are the only species to participate in homosexual activities." Have you ever seen a bored dog? These creatures will mount another male dog, just to say "I'm tougher than you." It's a regular occurance in nature. Watch NatGeo. And in responce to your responce to Loren. The PFLAG organization did not use this parade as an opportunity to say "Hey, I'm gay and I'm here." The PFLAG organization is a community of PARENTS, FRIENDS AND FAMILIES of homosexuals. They are there to say "It's ok, we support you and your lifestyle," so that when those poor children are being teased and prodded at, they know at least someone out there will listen and offer a hand. Listen to the boo's recieved at the parade and then ask yourself why these children think they are wrong to exist? Why do these children need a support group? I appreciate the fact that you have chosen to be a proper mother and not throw out your children. But know, if one of your children announces they're gay, you best be prepaired for the negativity that comes with it. If this were to happen, you'd be saying "I'm so proud PFLAG was there," as opposed to "I'm so embarassed to have them here." Stop looking at what they are, and look at what they're trying to accomplish. 4:56 pm Sun, Jul 12th, 2009 26. mom of lots says :Christopher- I never said that I find PFLAG embarassing in and of itself. I find it embarassing that people are walking down a street carrying signs about their family members' sexual preferences. I find that private and embarassing. It is not something I want to be subjected to, especially my children. As far as my children go, they are homeschooled for many reasons, one being the aforementioned one- children being bullied. And no, Christopher, these children are not so filled with hate due to what they learn at home, they are filled with hate indeed because they are in large groups of obnoxious "friends" who enjoy preying on the "weak". Has nothing to do with homelife. And, in regards to discrimination, we live in a free country and can have preferences for certain groups of people. As far as state rights are concerned, you have them. There are such things as Power of Attorney and wills and such. You and other homosexuals cannot expect to force those who do not agree with your lifestyle, to agree with it. Do not accuse me of "hate" and all that mantra as a cop out. I feel no ill will or hate towards homosexuals and that is certainly not how I am raising my children. And to compare homosexual activity to a bored dog is an interesting observation. 4:57 pm Sun, Jul 12th, 2009 27. J.C. says :Dear Straight, but previous homo feelings, You speak of an "agenda" held by the people walking in this parade. These people were friends, families, and parents of people within the LGBT community. If there was an agenda, it was simply to tell people that all people are equal and deserve to be loved. There is NO other agenda. So many people throw around the term " the gay agenda" There is NO gay agenda....but you all seem determined to believe there is. I honestly don't know why. Is it fear of having to accept something a little different? Is it lack of education and understanding? I don't know what the reasons are....but so many people out there seem determined to create a situation that simply does not exist. PFLAG simply wants to make the world a more loving and safe place for EVERYONE! Why is this such a bad thing? I have a young daughter who is teased mercilessly in school by kids of so called "normal" families. Is this how you raise your children? To be cruel and to hate? She has done nothing wrong....she is kind and loving, very intelligent too. Yet she walks down school hallways and is harrassed by YOUR kids! These are the values being taught in "normal" familes, due to the bias, ignorance, and discriminatory values held in your homes. How wrong is this? She is a young girl! Yet so many of you speak hateful words towards the small group of people that are willing to stand up and protect her. None of you are protecting her. I am terrified that she will end up a statistic of one more child that has taken their life due to bullying and harrasment at schools. Stop this anger and violence! Stop the agenda being taught in your OWN homes! Start teaching how to love and accept. People dont all have to agree on these supbjects, but THEY DO have to learn to be kind and compassionate! Those who think we members of PFLAG did not belong in your "communities" parade, well....you should be ashamed of yourselves. We are all community. THis is our home. And if Calvary Chapel can walk down the street proclaiming their beliefs, and the Murrieta/Temecula Republican Assembly can walk down that same street proclaiming their beliefs, two groups that have worked very hard against the LBGT community, then what right do you have to say who belongs and who doesnt? None. 5:17 pm Sun, Jul 12th, 2009 28. Nut of this World says :It was good to hear that the LGBT community was a part of the Forth of July Parade. What better an exercise of freedom by having PFLAG join in the parade. Some may not have agreed with their presence, but wow, this is a huge step forward for the Temecula and Murrieta Commuities. As time goes on though, the youth of our nation has become very accepting of LGBT lifestyles. Even many "Christain" kids are accepting of LBGT lifestyles. With that, hopefully soon, gay marraige will become legal for all. 7:40 am Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 29. Christopher A. Geiman says :I retract my comparison. I wished to make a point that homosexuality is just as common within a large quantity of creatures in nature as it is within human society, and simply phrased it (very) poorly. Mom of lots, Again, I must apologize; if I have accused you, specifically, of hate (though I do not believe I said anything of the sort, but if I did) it was unintentional. Now, how can you tell me that children do not learn hate from home, but instead they learn it from other kids at school? Are the teachers teaching these children to hate, and these children passing that message through to the other children? I don't think so. Perhaps, these children are learning to hate because... I dunno, certain family members at parades are saying "I'm suprised they let THEM in." Perhaps fathers telling their children that any balloon touched by a homosexual is instantaniously a 'filthy' balloon? Perhaps because parents, while driving with their childrn, passing groups protesting prop 8, feel the need to flip them the finger and spout curses through their childs window? Do you think the younger brother doesn't learn hate when their father throws their eldest son out of the house because he brought his boyfriend home? You can not sit there and tell me that hate is learnt through school. Hate is passed from a parent to a child. Morals are passed from parent to child. These things are only learnt at school when someone who learns this from home takes it there and spreads it. On the other subject mentioned in your comment; if you can think of any way to tell the homosexual community that there is a support group for them, without using the terms "I support my gay friend," or any other variation of that term, and very clearly get that message out to them.... then I would be happy to hear your ideas and pass them to the PFLAG members. As it turns out, it was the most simple, most direct method to simply say "I support you." That leaves very little to guess. The message behind these signs were not "I have agay family member," they were "I love and support you." And in a world where young children feel they would rather be dead because they are being bullied for what they can not control, I think a little acceptance is a good thing. Do you think any of those children would have felt that need to die if there were a group there that told them it was ok to be themselves, it was ok for them to exist, and that there were others willing to stand there and protect them. Many children are put into the streets or beaten or tortured because they are what they are and they can not change it. I do not feel that I, or anyone I am affiliated with, are trying to force anyone to agree with our lifestyle... simply to stop torturing us, insulting us, degrading us, dehumanizing us, KILLING us, and treating us like we are aliens on this planet. This IS America, this IS the land of the free, but it should not be land of the free MAJORITY. I will end this with an anonymous quote. "It is a sad day when the majority inflicts upon the minority what it would not find acceptable for itself." 7:41 am Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 30. J.C. says :Mom of lots.......No....the LGBT community does NOT have the same rights as a heterosexual couple and it is wrong. Power of attorney's and wills, do not allow a partner to be in the hospital with their loved one. Nor does it allow them to be on each others health plans, or to recieve the same tax credits as a married heterosexual couple. This is wrong. Everyone pays the same taxes and is due the same rewards. As for the way you grabbed onto the comment about "a bored dog" well that figures. It makes sense to me that you would go for the one part of Chris's comment that I did not agree with. Gay people are human...not animals, and their relationships are built on love. Period! I know that you claim no ill will towards homosexuals, but I doubt you have any good will towards them either...otherwise you would not wish to deny them the rights they deserve. No LGBT person is "forcing" their lifestyle on you. But you are indeed forcing a lifestyle on them of oppression. That is wrong. And lets face it.....people carried signs professing many different opinions in this parade, and PFLAGS were no different. As for signs saying, I love my gay child....well those are important. They show the world that people love their kids in a world where many would turn their backs on those same kids. I don't think you realise what is really going on in this world, or how many LGBT people actually exist among you. Far more then you think. 1 in 9 seems to be the number. So for every hundred straight people there are ten who are not. That is a huge number. Would you really choose to make all of these people second class citizens just because of your religious beliefs? Church and state are supposed to be seperate. And as a Christian myself, my thoughts are that as humans we are supposed to take care of each other and let God do the judging later. I am certain God will welcome ALL of his children into his kingdom. I think I am done with this website for now, because it is so full of ugliness. Such a sad reflection on our Temecula community. As for those who said loving and supportive things...I thank you from the bottom of my heart. 7:43 am Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 31. Reality Checker says :Having any organization march in parades and carry signs depicting any sexual preferences is simply disgusting and an abomination. Keep it at home, or in private meetings where it belongs. Do not promote it in public in any way. To do so is counter productive and will lead reasonable and prudent persons who would otherwise simply live and let live, to rebuke and admonish. Do not expect persons to embrace it when they feel it is being shoved down their throats. Don't indoctrinate our children in the classroom to accept values, agendas, beliefs or lifestyles. Teach how to read, write, and do arithmetic. Leave the propaganda out of the classroom. Use common sense. Don't provoke conservatives and they will "live and let live". Provoke us, and you will be faced with arguments you can't win, because our arguments will be based in fact and common sense. Preserve common sense. Don't Tread on US!!! 11:41 am Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 32. Wingnutz says :The homophobia and hatred vented by Christians is very un-Christ-like. The bible is not a club to be wielded, it is a hand to be extended to everyone regardless of circumstance or station. Stop hating people since it reflects an elitist, racist, sexist, bigoted, prejudiced, ignorant viewpoint being foisted off as Christian. Remove the log in your own eye first. 1:38 pm Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 33. Christopher A. G. says :Reality Checker; if the conservatives of Temecula followed this policy of "live and let live," that you speak of, then there would be no need for gay support groups. But... there are gay support groups... so, logic, reason, "Common" sense, dictates that this live and let live thing simply does not function... or was simply never truly followed. There are those who say live and let live and they do live by it, until they actually come face to face with the real world. This is a community where heterosexuals can make out on a public park bench, but if two men lean in too close to eachother they're accusd of flaunting their sexuality and shunned. Two women can not walk down the street holding hands because that is "forcing it" upon others. I can't say 'I love my husband' without worrying someone is going to say something cruel. Being openly gay is a massive negative in this community, and it can lead to many negative things, including physical violence and the possibility of death. Being openly Heterosexual is...... nothing. Heterosexuals can flaunt whetever they want. They can declair their love for their children and spouses and no one will think anything of it. This, I believe, is called hypocrisy. P.S. "Provoke us, and you will be faced with arguments you can't win, because our arguments will be based in fact and common sense. Preserve common sense. Don't Tread on US!!!" Gasp! Arguments I can't win! Better give up now! He has facts! Your silly threats are provoking in themselves. I read them more as a chellenge. Your "facts" are based on lies passed from conservatives who feel cornered in face of change and acceptance. Most of what they put into the media is lies. Saying Prop 8 will mean teaching homosexuality in school? That is a big steaming load. How about the fact that passing prop 8 has ensured it will most DEFINATLY be taught in school, as a massive group of people had their right to marry TAKEN AWAY, and the Californian constitution was changed. If you wish to fight with facts, then get your facts straight. Question what you know and seak another point of view. ![]() 5:37 pm Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 34. Shawnzoo says :What I think a lot of the conservative community here fails to realize, is that most gay people have lived both sides of the coin. They grew up being taught how to live a heterosexual lifestyle and went to church and were taught that homosexuality is wrong. When something is inherently biological(which science is finding out), such as homosexuality it makes coping with everything one has been taught unbearable. They eventually open themselves up to the idea that being different is ok, and it's a self realization. What I'm getting at, is that Queer people open their minds and learn to love themselves, so why can't the conservative community do the same? 5:37 pm Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 35. mom of lots says :I cannot account for what people are teaching their children about how to treat others. I can only account for how I teach my children to treat others. 5:38 pm Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 36. Miss Armentrout says :The difference between a Temecula Christian Conservative and a sane person is that fear and anger run the lives of the the TCC. If you agree with them, everything's okay. Doubt their god, doubt their Bible (or their Book of Mormon, for that matter), doubt their president, and they freak out. Obama is not just a bad president -- to the TCC he is a Hitler figure. Gays are not just a teeny minority that wants equal protection under the govt. they support with their taxes -- they have a "profound disorder of mind." Public citizens taking part in a public parade to show support for gay family members who have probably endured more harrassment and in-your-face hatred than any Christian/Mormon around here is "shoving an agenda" down the poor TCC's throats. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 in your own Bible - "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the Church? Are you not to judge those INSIDE it? God will judge those outside." 5:38 pm Mon, Jul 13th, 2009 37. mom of lots says :Christopher- thank you for your apology, I do not hate and I appreciate that you can see that someone can disagree with one's lifestyle and not hate them. I feel no hate. None. As a matter of fact, the feelings I do have are compassion, love and sadness. Why sadness? Because it is sad that homosexuals are treated poorly. They should not be. It is also sad that homosexuals will not (unless they seek to) reap the benefits of heterosexual marriage. What the state deems to give you is separate (I agree that state and religion should stay separate- you can't legislate morality.) But a covenantal marriage under God is what God created us to have. So you were born homosexual? I do not doubt that, however, with God all things are possible. At the same time, it cannot be expected that others will accept a lifestyle they believe is inappropriate. J.C.- As a Christian, do you believe there is a heavan and hell? 8:27 am Tue, Jul 14th, 2009 38. Shawnzoo says :mom of lots, I'm sorry to say JC has refused to post anything further on this thread. However as JC's best friend I can say that his views of heaven and hell are probably different than most. He feels that hell is nothing more than the absence of God or love, not fire and brimstone, where as heaven is so much more than white fluffy clouds and a sandal wearing bearded man. A lot of what he believes in stems from his roots, being raised in a catholic school, and later on in life exploring Buddhism and Taoism. He still identifies as christian, but it definitively has "Zen" flair to it. :D 10:33 am Tue, Jul 14th, 2009 39. mom of lots says :Shawnzoo- thank you for responding to my question. I really appreciate your respectfulness and response. I know this is a very difficult topic with strong feelings and for someone to be able to respond to a question regarding this topic without anger and sarcasm says a lot about you! Thank you. As a Christian woman, I want to encourage J.C. to further explore his Christianity and God's undying love for Him. I understand that people have homosexual feelings, however, I believe that Christians are to respond to those feelings differently than someone who does not follow and/or believe Christ's teachings. As Christians, we are to die unto ourselves, take up our cross and follow Him. Being a homosexual is not wrong, but acting out on it is. Christ can heal all if we seek Him, ask Him and follow Him. Revelations 3:20-22 "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." 9:35 am Wed, Jul 15th, 2009 40. Laura says :mom of lots- I am also a good friend of J.C. and I'll let you know that J.C. has explored his faith very deeply and it is a profound part of who he is. No matter how much he prays and reads the bible his views on homosexuality are not going to match yours. I'm trying to put this kindly. You are making quite the judgement by assuming that he has yet to seriously look into his religion and as you know, being the judge is God's duty and not your own. I assure you that J.C. has devoted TONs of time into his faith and I wouldn't even put it up for question. More generaly directed... Why not instead of pointing at us and saying we're wrong and you're right, just accept that we have different views and end the battle there? Can anyone tell me, I want to know: If we want to go out and say positive things about gay marines, our loved ones, friends, family, and/or ourselves why not instead of people coming up- bashing, dehuminizing, degrading, and protesting us, they go on with their lives and try to make something positive of themselves? If I go public and say I am proud to say, "I(a girl) love my girlfriend." A. How is that in anyway remotely sexual.(Heterosexuals:Think of it like confessing the love you have for a person of the oposite gender.) It's not always about sex is it? Well hopefully not. B. How does this cram anything down anyones throat? How does this negatively affect any one person in the world? Zen-zen In my opinion we shouldn't try to change each others beliefs, but instead we should except that we are all differen't but equal. In this country, we have the freedom to speak-out and we have the ability to get much closer to everyone living as equals than we do in many other parts of the world. Contributing members of the community - PFLAG along with many others have every right to participate in community events. 9:37 am Wed, Jul 15th, 2009 41. J.C. says :Dear Mom of lots, I had attempted to no longer be a part of this on-going discussion, but it seems I am again being pulled back into it. Shawn answered your question for me at my request, and I was very thankful for him to do it. I am tired. Tired of having to defend things that should not need defending. I am Christian....and I am wondering why you think I need to further explore my Christianity. I dont mean to sound rude or come off harsh, but you don't know me. You dont know my sexuality, for I never once stated it here. I defend the rights of all, because all people deserve equality under law. Period. Laws should not be based on religious beliefs, particularly of any one religious belief. This is one reason I am so frustrated with this topic. People seem to feel the need to use their religion to justify unfair and discriminatory laws. This is so wrong. Now, having said all of this, I will say I completely disagree with you. God made the LGBT community as they are. God does not make mistakes. And I am positive God wishes for people to act as they were created. For you to say it is wrong to act on impulses and love that was gifted by God....makes no sense to me. Now I am sure you will argue with me on this and quote scripture, but I will still disagree. The bible is an ancient document that has been changed so many times over history. So many words have been edited, added and deleted. And not once did Christ himself ever say being homosexual was wrong. So he must not have felt it was that important. Also....the ten commandments mention nothing on this and those are the biggies! I often wonder why so many Christians like to pick and choose what parts of the bible they wish to follow, believe, and quote. Well, if you wear blended materials, or eat shellfish, then I guess you are as guilty as the people you are laying guilt on. If you want to use Corinthians, then go ahead, Paul, was not a lover of marriage or sex. He felt that marriage was the best thing for people who could not avoid sex or worldy urges. How sad is that? TO say that marriage is a decent alternative for celibacy? ::sighs:: Look, I really have no desire to get into a biblical or scriptural war here. So let me end on this. Remember...most PFLAG members are NOT gay themselves...but instead support those who are. You dont need to know my sexuality because it is irrelevant to this topic. I know where I sit with God, I am at peace with it. That door opened to me when I was a child, and I feel solid in my knowledge that God and I are on good terms. God brought me all the wonderous gifts in my life, and those include my beautiful children and my beloved spouse; As well as the wonderous friends and family that surround me on this walk on earth. I am grateful. Enough said. 12:47 pm Wed, Jul 15th, 2009 42. C.J. says :Mom of lots: are you implying that God creates persons with homosexual feelings and expects them to ignore it, and repress it, in order to be considered Christian? That God creates a person and expects them to deny who they are and live as they were not made to? Why is it that when a problem arises in life, or a person becomes involved in another's culture, that the christian thing to do is say "God has simply given me this chance, this opportunity, to learn acceptance and tolerance for my fellow man." But, when something comes up which certain individuals disapprove of (The Christian faith says very little on Homosexuality, so the condeming of homosexuality stems from the personal agenda of select individuals, not the religion) it is a sin against nature and God and those people shall either change their ways and conform to "normal" society (which has in itself altered a multitude of times in the past centuries), or burn in hell. It seems repetitive in here, but I also know J.C. And I can tell you he is extremely devoted to his Christian Faith. I can tell you he praises God daily, thanks him for all he recieves, and attends church regularly. I know he (as well as myself) finds it difficult to believe that God would condemn anyone to Hell, for any reason, much less for spending your life in a loving, caring relationship. I can assure you, J.C. is strong in his faith, and unquestionably so, even in the face of Calvary Chapel, which has been spreading a poor image of Christianity in the Temecula area, which has attacked him specifically as a supportive Christian. 8:11 am Thu, Jul 16th, 2009 43. daughter of 2 loving fathers says :I'm am delighted beyond belief that the parade and the article have received such overwhelming support. On a personal note, perhaps to shed light on another point of view, I am blessed to have a mother as well as 2 supportive, loving fathers. Honestly, I am BLESSED because I have witnessed firsthand that love can prevail even in the most difficult circumstances. And to those who may think that same-sex couples can not raise "normal" children, my life proves you quite wrong. Lets' be hopeful for the future, people - times are changing, thank god! Thanks PFLAG 7:57 pm Sat, Jul 18th, 2009 44. Shannon Brewster says :I just found this online and realized that my sister and I had our picture in the paper. PFLAG is an amazing organization, one that has compassion, love and is just advocating for people that don't know where to turn in this very conservative town. I actually had no idea that Temecula was so "homophobic." I have never had any issues in this town, and I am actullly ashamed to say that I live here with comments like "angry dad" wrote. We, my partner and I, moved out here from the city for the same reasons as everyone else and follow the same standards and rules of society as a whole. We moved here for the American dream, big house in the country, just like all of you and us. We are both professionals and should have the same rights as all of the heterosexual couple's. We pay the same taxes, buy the same food, and contribute to society in the same way that you do. Why should things be so different for heterosexuals then homosexuals? Like it or not, we are here and are staying. We don't demand anything. We are just standing up for ourselves and celebrating our country. No more no less. I must say to all of you angry people, remember that the nurse that takes care of you, or the hairdresser that does your hair so perfect, or that teacher that makes a differance in your childs life are all here for you and your family, regardless of what you think of us. We should be united as one.--Shannon Brewster, RN 10:44 am Wed, Jul 22nd, 2009 45. Yanni says :Appalling. Thank goodness I didn't go this year. So tired of the "gay" involved in every aspect of life. I don't care personally if a person is gay or straight, as long as they live their life in a good an honest way and don't harm others. I wouldn't want to see an anti-gay group in a parade, I don't want to see a pro-gay one, pro abortion one, or anti abortion one either. These issues don't belong in a 4th of July parade! Why do homosexuals feel that they have to push their agenda at every possible opportunity? This was not the appropriate venue for this topic. Shame on you PFLAG. Just as you have a "right" to be gay, those that don't feel the same have a right to their opinions as well. Neither one of you is bad, you just have differing opinions. Every public event is not your stage!! 1:52 pm Wed, Jul 22nd, 2009 46. JC says :Once again I shall reiterate.....this was PFLAG...and PFLAG has no "gay agenda". I am so SICK of those words! PFLAG marched to support their family members who happen to be part of the LGBT community AND to march as PROUD AMERICANS! Do you have a problem with the fact that Calvary Chapel marched with signs displaying their "agenda"? Or how about other parties who had displays of their "Agendas" as well? No...you only pick on PFLAG. That is rather bias and discriminatory if you ask me. What if I didnt want my kids to see some of the other peoples signs they carried? Should I complain as many of you are? No. Because I recognize America as a free country where people of all beliefs can walk together and be proud of who they are. Why are you so tired of the gay "agenda"? SHould I say I am tired of the straight "Agenda" There are no agendas people!!! Only the ones you create in your heads. 11:26 pm Fri, Jul 24th, 2009 47. Yanni says :There's no gay "agenda" - really? Then you are seriously out of touch with reality. I'm sorry for your lack of awareness. You poor thing. 7:16 am Tue, Jul 28th, 2009 48. PuertadelSol says :How sad that we live in a world with so much hatred, ignorance, and bigotry. Maybe if we stopped letting ourselves be influenced by the thinking of others and look into ourselves as to what is right then there would'nt be as many problems. The gay and heterosexual world are not perfect, and if I remember correctly the only judge that can truly judge our actions is perfection, GOD! I wonder with many of you (the homophobics) if you would be the same people still supporting segregation? It seems society needs to find a reason to hate instead of learning acceptance, patience, and empathy. Im glad to be agnostic and have a God I can pray to and know that my prayers are being listened to despite the fact im Gay. Seems like the big culprit here is not so much gays or PFLAG but rather religion. Funny how religion has played a major role in many major conflicts around the world. Seems like the only disgusting thing here is the thing you try to use to condone your hatred, what religion did you say you were again? 11:05 pm Tue, Jul 28th, 2009 49. TV says :Yanni, I am straight and would love to hear the points of the "gay agenda" of which you speak? I assume you mean the opportunity to make a life commitment to their partner and raise a family with ALL the protections that straight married couples enjoy, the opportunity to serve their country in the US military, the opportunity to have their children educated in public schools supported by their taxes without having their children ostracized because they have two mommies. Is there anything else? Maybe not to cursed at while walking down the street? To have their families acknowledged and respected? To be respected for being contributing members of society: doctors, teachers, entrepenuers? To be your neighbors and attend your church without being told they're going to hell? You don't have to welcome them into your home - though you would be missing out on some great people in my opinion. The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics do not recognize homosexuality as anything needing "fixing", and in fact say that to do so is damaging. It is within the scope of normalacy within which all human beings reside when it comes to sexuality. And it's not about sex, it's about love and affinity. Did all of us who are married do so just for sex? Of course not, now we do it for love. In other cultures your parents pick your spouse. In older times marriage was a civil contract to get you more land or cows when you sold your daughters. Many biblical characters had multiple wives - marriage has changed over the centuries. In fact, it's still a civil contract and the church is not involved unless you want your ceremony there. You can do it on the beach, at the town hall, from prison, in scuba gear, whatever. Last point, there have been remarkable people who have served with honor in the military throughout our history, and they continue to do so in secrecy now. Of all the NATO nations only the USA and Turkey ban openly LGBT people from serving. It is our loss. I am sure there will be someone who speaks of not wanting a gay guy in the next bunk - he may be there and you don't know it. I doubt sex is on anyone's mind when they are just trying to stay alive day in and day out. To all those who do not want their children to know about gay married couples...when you discuss your marriage with your children do you talk graphically about your sex life? Do you tell them you only got married to make babies? Then why don't you have 20 or 30 children if it's all about having kids in marriage? I bet you tell them, "We got married because we love each other and wanted to create a family together - just like those gays," (you can leave that part out). PFLAG rocks!!! 9:34 pm Thu, Jul 30th, 2009 50. Shocked says :What i do not understand is why everyone is choosing to ignore the fact that a main reason PFLAG marched was for those poor young boys who KILLED THEMSELVES after being violently bullied at school. There was no pressuring of an agenda simply a statement of "I support you" I cant comprehend why so many people are outraged because normal people with different preferences joined a parade. Honestly people! This whole thing makes no sense. You're disgusted? Why? Can any of those who are angry at PFLAGs presence give a logical response to that? From previous debate, I doubt it. 5:44 am Tue, Aug 4th, 2009 51. Ally says :Can you bigots stop your hatred and homophobia for a moment to think about this FACT: Jesus Christ walked on this earth and embraced EVERYONE, not just the bigots, the hate-mongers, and the bullies! THE GAYS as you so fanatics like to call gay people are taxpayers too; gay people are parents, daughters, sons and friends also. Gay businesses have always helped to stimulate the economy and guess what? Some of your favorite entertainers are gay and lesbian - some you never even would think. Is there no end to your cruelty, your hate and your paranoia. We are not out to get YOU or YOUR kids. Do you even realize that the largest percent of pedophiles/child molesters are HETEROSEXUAL MEN!! Grow up and start REALLY LIVING THE CHRISTIAN LIFE, as Jesus himself preached! 2:37 pm Sun, Aug 9th, 2009 52. JC says :Yanni - You can say "you poor thing" All you like; yet you know nothing of me. You say there is a "gay agenda", well I wonder how you gather your information on this. Are you part of the gay community? Are you on any committee that directly interacts with the gay community? Do you know many people in the LGBT community? I personally interact with it everyday, and am deeply involved in many groups and organizations. I feel, very confident in the fact that there is no "agenda" as people love to call it. There is simply a desire to be treated like everyone else and not be excluded, or placed into a seperate catagory. That is not an agenda....it is called wanting what the Bill of Rights promised us all. Equality. I am sorry you can't see this...and instead would rather use sarcasm and ignorance. I wish you luck in your walk on this world. 7:49 pm Wed, Aug 12th, 2009 53. Name Here says :"Gay Agenda" is an imaginary agenda the majority of heterosexuals made up to make it easier to categorize homosexuals stereotypically into a group, ignorant of the reality of individuality. There is also a "Straight Agenda" in which people get married, fathers get drunk and beat their wives and children. The "White Agenda" is where Caucasians smile a lot and spend their money on things they don't need, acting as if they are more important and superior than everyone else. The "Black Agenda" is when blacks drink "Henny", eat "whatamelon" and drink Kool-Aid while "tapping booty" 24/7. They don't be eatin nothin but that fried chicken and "butta milk" biscuits. ...A sense of satire is vital. Truth is there is no agenda of any kind. People live however they want to, people are who they are, and as much as an image you make of them, reality is they probably aren't who you make them out to be. If you don't realize that, then, you need to get out more, enough said. 8:42 am Sat, Aug 15th, 2009 54. Teacher of Many says :I see straight kids and adults being affectionate in public, and no one raises an eye. Ok, in uber conservative Temecula an eye or maybe mother raised on the cell phone, but other wise it is fine. Heck, walk through the mall on a Saturday night. However, I still hear kids making horrible comments- about someones sexuality. Really derogatory things. And it wasn't ugh that super pretty man loving girl- it was ugliness, hatred and ignorance at it's best. I am glad PFLAG was out there because if it is ok for heterosexuals to proclaim their sexuality through their behavior, then clearly it MUST be acceptable for gays, lesbians, and their families to at lest acknowledge it publicly. We live in a society where if you are straight you don't have to think about your sexuality every day. If you are gay, this sometimes isn't so. The academics out here even have a word for this feeling of 'otherness'- heteronormativity. We live in a community where it is EXPECTED for a child to grow up straight. But how do you see yourself if you know that you are not? Sadly more kids will experiment with dangerous sex, promiscuous behavior,unprotected sex, etc. Some will become depressed. Clearly, sometimes even the worst happens. When sexuality is no longer debated in the media, politics, classrooms and churches then we can let everyones sex lives be private. Until then, much like the feminists, and those working for civil rights for all, they understand that the PERSONAL IS POLITICAL until there is equality for all. 3:50 pm Tue, Sep 1st, 2009 55. GB says :As a gay couple considering a move to Temecula, thanks for the eye-opener. We haven't lived anyplace in CA with what appears to be such a largely ignorant and homophobic population. Good to know what we're up against. Shame on you for berating PFLAG, an organization that promotes love and kindness towards loved ones, regardless of their orientation. Too bad we don't have PFS (Parents and Friends of Straights), maybe we would have fewer normal (straight) kids with messed up heads. Time to get your heads out of your butts and think forwardly. You all know someone that's gay, likely a good friend; how would you like to see them treated? We're not terribly religious people, but...WWJD? He would (and did) welcome all, including Mary Magdalene (she was a prostitute according to scripture). 6:14 am Wed, Sep 2nd, 2009 56. susan says :I am sick and tired of this people who think they can change people by their bigoted and miopic view of sexuality. Who are they to judge ? Why can this bigoted people concentrate with their family and to get an education and to teach their children how to be tolerant and respectful and loving people of GOD. Instead of hate ! 7:12 am Mon, Sep 14th, 2009 57. JC says :GB...Welcome to Murrieta/Temecula! I hope we see you at some of the PFLAG meetings! This is actually a wonderful place to live...you just have to not be afraid to be who you are. 9:18 pm Fri, Oct 9th, 2009 58. John Atwell says :Mary Magdalene was a prostitute according to scripture. Jesus did not condemn her, however He told her to go "and sin no more." That is also what Jesus would say to today's homosexuals. 5:36 pm Tue, Oct 13th, 2009 59. Proud Mom says :I just read this article and all of the comments after searching the Temecula area for gay support groups. I know I am very late weighing in, but I want to thank you for everyone’s comments, you just confirmed mine and my husbands decision to become a part of PFLAG. I am a mother of three children that are grown and out of the house, our oldest son, 23, is gay. He has been teased since being in grade school that he was gay – never invited to a birthday party, kids would not stand next to him in school productions because they might get aids. We talked to our son several times over the years, asking him if he were gay, he would always say no. He finally told us he was when he was in 11th grade. The look on his face as he told us was that of a scared child, scared of how we would react. My response to him was that I was glad it was that and he wasn’t telling me he got a girl pregnant! How sad for a child to worry that what they are about to tell their parents might mean the difference from their parents loving or not loving them anymore. I am currently taking a political science class and studying about how slaves, once freed, were segregated. It took a long time for African Americans to be treated as equals, and even longer for women to be treated as such (and still both groups have a long way to go). The point I am trying to make is that regardless of your religious beliefs, morals, etc. gay individuals are PEOPLE first, just a slaves were (and please don’t use this statement as some opportunity to tell me how I am comparing slaves to gay individuals). I am PROUD of my son, and his partner, of the fact that he is buying his first house, his graduating college and working in a field that he loves. I am sad that he had to move away from Temecula to be himself. He should have every right that I do, which includes God’s judgment. His life, just like mine, will be judged by God one day. Just like the Christian man who embezzled money, or the Christian woman that had an affair, or the Christian that is closeted. None of these are my place to judge and thank goodness! I do not think the purpose of marching in a parade is to shove being gay into anyone’s face, or what happens in the bedroom, but funny so many of you bring this up because I have neighbors that have a feeling my son is gay and they hint around about it. I agree, what happens in the bedroom is nobody’s business, therefore I will not give into their hints, they don’t ask about my relationship with my husband so why would they hint about my son? Next year there will be at least one more in the parade marching and one more standing on the corner holding a sign. Thanks to all of you for helping me make this decision. Sign me, Proud BORN AGAIN Christian Mom! |
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