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Medical marijuana dispensary ordered to "cease and desist"


Tuesday, February 16th, 2010
Issue 07, Volume 14.
Andrea Verdin
Staff Writer


Fallbrook's medical marijuana dispensary has shut its doors after being served with a cease and desist order by the county.

According to Fallbrook Sheriff's substation commander Lt. Phil Brust, Mother Earths Alternative Healing Cooperative, located at 434 East Mission Road, was ordered to vacate its building February 5 due to violation of San Diego County regulations.

"The dispensary was operating in violation of county Ordinance Section 10,000 [an ordinance extending a moratorium on the establishment of marijuana dispensaries]," said Brust.

Brust said the dispensary had also built interior walls without proper permitting, and had changed its building occupational classification without certification of occupancy. Brust explained that the cease and desist order was given to Fallbrook's dispensary on an individual basis.

"I'm pleased it happened," said Brust. "Medical marijuana cooperatives such as this are a gray area as far as businesses. Many people who go to them are Advertisement
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not merely cancer patients or others permitted to use marijuana. More and more young people are obtaining cards to obtain marijuana."

According to Brust, the dispensary, which opened last year, was located within 1,000 feet of two schools and a children's day care center.

"We wouldn't allow a liquor store to be this close to a school, but this dispensary was there," said Brust. "The dispensary's location just wasn't conducive."

Currently, the county is working on an ordinance that would regulate the proximity in which medical marijuana dispensaries can be located to schools, day care centers and areas where children may be exposed.

For now, Brust is pleased to know the county has shut down the dispensary without the need for officer involvement.

"All of this was done without law enforcement [involvement]," said Brust. "But we did check to ensure that the dispensary was acting within its ordinance."


 

357 comments

Comment Profile ImageAllen
Comment #1 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Hooray!!!
Comment Profile ImageJames
Comment #2 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm
The restrictions on being close to where children are is just BS. Kids are not allowed in the collectives and hiding the truth that marijuana is good for you will teach children not to trust the people in power. Find out the truth and you will see that man has been using marijuana for over 5000 years andit has become a part of how our bodies work. Research Jack Herer and Lanny Swerdlow. or go to www.movementinaction.org
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Comment Profile ImageJames
Comment #3 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm
They attack a great bunch of people who are trying to help the sick and Brust who's job it is to enforce the law is trying to make the law. The moratorium is in direct violation of the will of the voters when they passed Prop 215. Why does the Mexican drug cartels have more influence over local politicians than the voters? I would call for an investigation of the city council and police to find out how much money they are taking to disregards the voters.

We need to tell the them to stop attacking the sick and dieing. We the people have spoken 14 years ago. Follow the law. When local governments decide to disregard the will of the people they are being treasonous to our constitution.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Res
Comment #4 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Good!!
Comment Profile ImageJoel W
Comment #5 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:34 pm
a. Facilities which dispense marijuana have proven to have serious harmful effects on the neighborhoods in which they are located, to owners of property in such neighborhoods, and to citizens living, visiting, shopping, conducting business or otherwise present in the area. Such effects are due to such factors as the illegal nature of the activity, the presence of large quantities of marijuana at the dispensaries, the presence of large amounts of cash, the presence of weapons, and other factors. Harmful effects at the dispensaries and the surrounding areas have included an increase in burglaries, robberies, illegal sales of drugs, use or possession of marijuana by unauthorized persons, attacks on persons entering or leaving the premises, loitering, smoking marijuana in public places, and driving while under the influence of marijuana.

" Such effects are due to such factors as the illegal nature of the activity" Illegal? I thought the people voted to make it legal for medical purposes.

"the presence of large amounts of cash" What about bank? are those dangerous?

"the presence of weapons" Close the gun store.

" burglaries, robberies, illegal sales of drugs" Can these things really be linked to the dispensaries? Could you not also point out that those types of crimes increase with a downturn in the economy?

" loitering" Really??? I mean, really?

"driving while under the influence of marijuana." I think the irresponsible people driving and smoking do so, whether or not they got their pot from a dispensary or a drug dealer.
Comment Profile ImageCranky
Comment #6 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Do they get their Chamber of Commerce dues refunded?
Comment Profile ImageCheech
Comment #7 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Dude...like that's a total bummer.
Comment Profile ImageLocal Teacher
Comment #8 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Finally! The fact that they were allowed to operate directly across the street from the Home School program was just WRONG!
Comment Profile Imageray
Comment #9 | Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:28 pm
your local government at work ignoring the will of the voters of ca a change is gonna come pharmacies dispense meds based on poppy plants and are close to schools and daycare why is the hemp plant evil and opiates arent?
Comment Profile ImageArt
Comment #10 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:29 am
There are some businesses that we do not want in Fallbrook along with the people they attract. One are stores that sell marijuana and another would be adult book stores.
Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #11 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:31 am
This cease and desist order as a civil action represents an improvement in recognizing the laws of out state by police and civil authorities, similar to procedures followed in many other California jurisdictions. A dispensary that is an outlet for members of a non-profit collective is legal in CA. It is not against California criminal laws. The medical marijuana laws specifically state it is superior to several laws including where a city or county might want to declare it a criminal nuisance enterprise to close one down. Cities are expected to make reasonable zoning requirements in accordance with storefront outlets being able to function.

So instead of a big raid with dozens of armed riflemen raiding the dispensary and concurrently the operators’ homes and seizing all the money and medicine, while throwing people to the floor and handcuffing them and charging them with a lot of false felony charges as has been the recent practice of DA Bonnie Dumanis, they did this better to treat it with a civil action for an alleged violation of a zoning law.


However a lot of people doubt this county is really planning to set up reasonable zoning requirement, the moratorium is just stalling for time.

The case of whether a city or county can prohibit all dispensaries is still in the court system. The Anaheim case decision is due soon from an appeals court, but will most likely be appealed to the state supreme court.
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Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #12 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:31 am
Marijuana is no longer believed to be a gateway drug by those who have studied it. It is true that most youth who go on to harder drugs have tried marijuana, but the same persons who go on to harder drugs would probably do so even if there were no marijuana available. A large number of citizens have tried marijuana, quit it and did not go on to harder drugs.
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Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #13 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:31 am
Most every DRUG STORE in larger towns around here also sell cigarettes, beer, wine, vodka, rum, and whiskey. Super Target, Sam’s Club, and Costco sell over 170 labels of wine as well as beer, rum, vodka, and whiskey. All these kids are growing up used to seeing them around. These are all known to be harmful to ones health, and lead to tens of thousand of untimely deaths every year and in many cases poverty and child abuse.
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Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #14 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:31 am
1. The Los Angeles police chief had a recent records check.
A larger percent of banks were robbed than MMJ dispensaries.
2. San Diego DA said a dispensary was raided and closed because of complaints. Under oath on the witness stand the detective confessed there had been no complaints filed with the police.
3. The San Diego DA said crime increased around dispensaries.
A check on the police reports by a citizen group showed no change in crime statistics before and after the dispensaries opened.
4. This problem about the example for the children is questionable. Nowadays nearly every supermarket sells cigerettes, beer, wine, and many also sell whiskey and vodka.
What kind of example to our children is that? I just saw a woman with a child in her cart put in a case of beer and a bottle of vodka in with the child.
Comment Profile ImageHempified Hooligan
Comment #15 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:32 am
....As mentioned by the Honest Folks above (RESPECT), how funny (except NOT) that MMJ continues to be demonized as "illegal" (NOT), "like alchoho" (there was a stupid reference in there), etc etc.... MEANWHILE,
Harmful Pharmaceutical Drugs are actually MARKETED/SOLD to Children. And that Whopper or Big Mac y'all probably bought your precious kids? Yup, more Toxic Chemicals than a High School Chem Lab. And yet still, these people claim to be "protecting the community" (HA!), while they allow the Corrupt Government(s) to ROB THEM BLIND, and SPIT ON HUMAN FREEDOM.

No Worries though, The TRUTH is Unbeatable, All of Y'all and your SILLINESS will fade into oblivion eventually........

MUCH RESPECT to Everyone who is NOT a Puppet Zombie promoting Lies, Greed, and Propaganda.

FREE HEMP, EDUCATE, and STOP THE HATE
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Comment Profile ImageHempopotamus
Comment #16 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:32 am
Wow....Not that I'm surprised by the actions of "Law Enforcement", but by the Surreal IGNORANCE of The People.

I could go "Postal" on here, but no need; just read JAMES' comment (above), and Joel W's comments.

@ Allen, Fallbrook Res, and "Local Teacher" (HA!):
Your IGNORANCE is ASTONISHING, given how much Information CONTRARY to your Nonsense is out there, Freely Available to those who care about the TRUTH.

@ "Local Teacher": Please don't call yourself a "Teacher" and spit Propaganda and Transplanted Lies...
I am a Fallbrook Native, on behalf of the CONSCIOUS People in my Beloved Town, please Move. Y'all are wasting precious air at this point, Thanks!

RESPECT
HEMP HEALS HUMANITY.
Comment Profile ImageMatt
Comment #17 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:33 am
first off Marijuana is not harmful or toxic to humans .

there is no crime in buying pot . all the rest of you haters should give up booze and pills and switch to a safer treatment.
Comment Profile ImageDiana
Comment #18 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:33 am
Yes Finally no dice sorry stoners
Thankk you Joel
Comment Profile ImageAnonymous
Comment #19 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:33 am
Weren't these losers also filming a reality show about their "business?"
Comment Profile ImageG
Comment #20 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:33 am
Cannabis was duped into becoming illegal without Congress even knowing it was the illustrious hemp plant. More and more people are waking up to the reality that sacred herbs have been used throughout the ages and the only real problem medical marijuana poses is to the corporatocracy that rules this country and less citizens to bust for the sole purpose of gaining revenue for the state.

How many DRUG stores are there in your neighborhood? Rite Aid?Walgreens? Every supermarket pharmacy pushes truly toxic and detrimental drugs created specifically to be heavily addictive and thus more profitable for the pharmaceutical industry.

Hello? Is anybody in there?
Comment Profile ImageTim
Comment #21 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:34 am
So pot is good for you? So you have a couple of studies that say so? The overwhelming amount of evidence is mind boggling that it is not good for you. Seems to me that any drug that shares many of the same chemicals as tobacco when burned is not good. (0ver 400 shared chemicals). Gateway drug, all studies show that it is a gateway drug. Many of the DUI's show marijuana participation. The lack of real education is what the pot growers are hoping for. Please dont believe the hype. Pot has been used for thousands of years along with opiates, cocaine, prostitution. do you see a correlation? Society does not need another legalized way of screwing up your life.
Comment Profile ImageDPark6116
Comment #22 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:34 am
Can we please put away the puritanism? To my knowledge no one has died from marijuna use. And all this restriction on how close liquor and marijuna sales can be to a school or daycare center is idiotic. Out here on East Valley Parkway we have a Vons selling alcohol next door to a daycare center. Think about it all of our grocery stores and convenience stores sell alcohol - shouild we ban children from those establishments? The prohibitionists are all dead.

My personal favorite is the open container law. Its stupid. Having a cool one on my drive home does not impair my driving. If may passengers are having a beer, my driving is not impaired. However, if I rent a limo, Im can drink myself under the table.
Comment Profile ImageBROOKTOWN
Comment #23 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:35 am
GOOD POINT CRANKY ITS FUNNY THAT THE SHERRIFFS WERE THERE SUPPOSEDLY CHECKING IDS WHEN THE FACT IS THEY WERE TRYING TO SCOPE THE PLACE OUT FOR ANYTHING WRONG I MEAN REALLY ADDING INTERIOR WALLS SO UR SHUT DOWN NOW GIVE ME A BREAK THEY ARE 100% LEGIT AND WILL BE OPENING BACK UP SOON BELIEVE U ME
Comment Profile ImageClueless
Comment #24 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:35 am
I had no idea that there was one in town, ...... how come I never saw anything in the paper about it being open ?
Comment Profile ImageBuddy
Comment #25 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:35 am
What does it being across from the school have anything to do with it? that shows a completely primitive frame of mind. If you stop casting such shadows on marijuana, it all of a sudden turns our into not that bad of a thing. Sort of like the spider we have been trained to hate, its not *really* bad, but we portray it as such.
Comment Profile ImageWheatstraw
Comment #26 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:36 am
Dispensaries that I've been to make every effort to function anonymously and safely. The San Diego County Supervisors and the DA are all just a bunch of republican throwbacks who don't even understand (or believe in):
1-The California Constitution
2-States Rights
3-The will of the people.

A moratorium on all dispensaries in the county is a de facto attempt to prevent them. This will not pass muster in the courts. Just another foot dragging measure.
Comment Profile ImagePotter
Comment #27 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:19 am
Marijuana dispensaries are all a scam. What's next, meth Dispensaries.
Comment Profile Imagehmm
Comment #28 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:29 am
Clueless..read the paper..theyve been featured a few times..also joined the Chamber of Commerce. Sorry the business owners are getting a bad deal here folks.they did everything by the books..
Comment Profile Imageobservant
Comment #29 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:41 am
No worries. They just moved their business to Tenaja Truck Trail.
Comment Profile Imagesome dude
Comment #30 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:49 am
when the public allows the government to ignore law or find a sneaky loophole it hurts everyone. A person may agree with big gov. on this one, but too bad we voted it passed, IT IS LAW. The people are in charge, not the government. Government is here to represent the people, whether gov. agrees or not. if a person does not like the law they can move out of California or go through due process to have it changed. Until then PROP 215 STANDS. GOOD JOB MAKING SICK PEOPLES LIVES HARDER! A PERSON'S OPINION DOESNT MATTER THEIR VOTE DOES.
Comment Profile ImageFrosty
Comment #31 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:56 am
They were too much competition for all the illegal growers. Illegal growers are praying that legalized pot never gets passed, because they will lose the $90k-$150k per month they are making at this time. Ever wonder why all the homes you put an offer on recently were sold out from under you to cash buyers? Illegal growers have to have somewhere to park all the money they are making.
Comment Profile ImageTYC
Comment #32 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:56 am
NO! Don't make drugs legal. Are you CRAZY? We need to keep marijuana illegal and to make alcohol
illegal again. Prohibition has always worked! Ask any policeman or politician. They know the real truth!

However, my problem is this; My cousin is in a drug gang in mexico. They will not let him leave
because they have so much work. He's working a lot of overtime. He said he needs a vacation but can't because of work. However, he said he's planning to visit here very soon because his gang is going to be coming up here to expand their territory since you closed down your only dispensary. He needs some extra spending cash, so PLEASE keep that drug war going so my cousin has a job!
Comment Profile ImageGermansoldier
Comment #33 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:27 am
well this definitely deserves a comment . But I forget what I was going to say !
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #34 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:39 am
We have not moved and we are working with the County, but we will not break the law or in this case a court order! This fight is about a handicapped bathroom we added. They would not issue the permits and told us to lower the walls to 6' high. We have been asked to join the Bonsall Chamber and in a few days the Fallbrook Chamber should have a town meeting. I know it's hard to understand, it was hard for me to understand also. But when i was disabled 3 years ago suffering from nerve damage, PTSD, and such bad depression that I was on 13 different meds and 7 treatments with electric convulsive therapy. I had to make a change in my life. The drugs changed me so much I almost lost my wife and that to me, was worse than death. Cannabis saved my life and my marrage! Today I do not take any other meds but cannibus.

Don't fool yourself anymore by the propanganda you've been led to believe for so many years. You can buy this from CVS, RightAde or any pharmacy, It's called marinol. It is a lab mad version that costs $1500.00 dollars for a 30 day supply with a $500.00 deductible! If you buy the equvilent in the organic version it is $100.00 and the truth is $100.00 is still an outragous price for a plant. The only gateway part of cannabis is, your neighborhood drug dealer has many different kinds of drugs and all make them a lot more money than cannabis. What do you think he wants to sell? This is your "gate way" and they do not check an ID or Dr's recommendation and they don't care.

Before you judge, learn the truth. THC is in all of us! We are born with it and we will die with it because or body produces it. We have receptors in our brain to receive it. If this plant was found today to it would be called the miracle find of the century but just like a carrot, it can't be patented. We even took a recipe from The First Testament written in the language of Jesus "Exodus 30 23:25 which is a lotion made with cannibus given to Moses and taken from the Kings and given back to the People. After seeing the effects in joint pain, carpal tunnel, etc. it is a miracle with no mood altering effects except for pain relief.

If you want to really want to learn and show some compassion, watch "The Union: The Business behind getting High". You can watch it for free on Google Video right now!
You will hear from Harvard professors, former govenors, and many others with credentials a mile long. If you still don't believe in what you see, that is your right because you're an American!
Comment Profile Imagesocal heebfolks
Comment #35 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 pm
ha ha, Karma works every time!
Comment Profile Imageconcerned citizen
Comment #36 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:02 pm
finally! thank you for closing down this illegal pot store
Comment Profile ImageBuddy
Comment #37 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Thanks for coming on here and clearing things up Rob. It sounds like you are a great guy, just trying to run a business. I hope you get all this cleared up soon.
Comment Profile ImageThe Dude
Comment #38 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Thanks Bob! I hope everything gets sorted out for you guys. If anyone wasn't aware, Mother Earth was in Fallbrook as an established business prior to the ordinance restricting the distance between a dispensary and a school. As usual the county and state are scrambling to keep up with their own vague wording. Art - exactly what kind of people do MMJ Dispensaries attract? Have you been in one lately? I'm going to guess not but it's the people like the recent amputee who has broken toes on his remaining foot because of gripping the ground so tightly and the cancer patient who are unable to eat because of chemo. This is not supposition, this is the truth.
Comment Profile ImageJuan
Comment #39 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:04 pm
The closing of the medical marijuana dispensary is driven by big business (Liquor industry).
Okay, so now your kids can get high on your "legal" prescription drugs, which are stolen from your medicine cabinets and drink your booze. Now that 's real bummer.
Long live medical marijuana!!!
Comment Profile ImageJust_Wondering
Comment #40 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:04 pm
So, if you guys paid taxes to our broke state, don't you think this business would get you guys more rights?? Fallbrook isn't the next Mendocino County now, or is it? You would think this issue would soon be a serious business with as many professional tokers out there - just please don't smoke and drive.. its not funny you're seriously intoxicated and a bad influence for young minds who have to live in reality.
Comment Profile ImageJames Patrick Lacy
Comment #41 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:04 pm
"County of San Diego v. San Diego NORML (2007):
ASAintervened in a lawsuit that the County of San Diego filled against the California Department of Health Services in San Diego Superior Court. Together with the ACLU Drug Reform Law Project, Drug Reform Law Project, Drug Policy Alliance, and representing five patients, a physician, and the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, ASA argued that federal law does not preempt state law, and that the County must abide by the compassionate Use Act and AB 420. ASA's side prevailed in the Superior Court and the Court of Appeal, as these courts unanimously confirmed the vality of California medical marijuana laws. San Diego petioned the California Supreme Court for review of these decisions, and the CaliforniaSupreme Court denied review. As of this printing, San Diego has announced its intention to seek review by the US Supreme Court."
Comment Profile Imagetired
Comment #42 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Youve got the GREEN light
Get your pot at huge cost to you
even if there is nothing wrong you can get a card.
Dr visit w/ card 25 bucks
If its legit its ok
Half the people in there I know are not hurting
Give me a break
Comment Profile Imagehmmm
Comment #43 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:23 pm
as a nurse,Ive seen the benefits of marinol..for those of you who know SO MUCH about the "BAD" effects..I do hope you NEVER experience the ravishes of a terminal disease and NEED relief...Marinol provides that..sorry this places is having troubles and hope it can reopen soon for those who truly need their services!
Comment Profile Imagecaln8tive
Comment #44 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:23 pm
#34 - keep on keeping on......it will happen...and we have had this plant on earth since the beginning of time.....it was put here to help us heal, eat and sleep when needed. I'm sure the Native Americans didn't have a problem. (not being discrimitive because I am part Native American, hence the "peace pipe")

Pot is NOT the issue....ALCOHOL is the killer!!!

And wouldn't it be really nice to really know just how many people in this great state smoke it? I would bet it is at least 40%...maybe more.

We voted for it so don't take away our rights.
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #45 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Bob, I may have a solution to the complications with your location..... Simply hang a sign on the front of the building that reads: "Pfizer" or "Schering-Plough" or "Abbott Laboratories".

The county will probably then welcome you with open arms and maybe even provide you with a tax incentive.

Although, there may be at least one minor complication with creating that association. Your packaging will now have to display very specific usage warnings such as:

May cause Heart Attack, Stroke, Vaginal Dryness, Headaches, Blurred Vision, Chest Pains, Erections Lasting Longer Than Four Hours, Depression, Ringing In The Ears, Loss Of Appetite, Loss Of Hair, Loss Of Sexual Desire, Loss Of Muscular Control, Nausea, Diarrhea or Itching.

Other than that..... I can't foresee any other problems.
Comment Profile Imageoba
Comment #46 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Most of the customer in the L.A. store 's are only buying a gram or two at a time and they know more about the product than the operator's selling the product.I wouldn't worry to much about the crime- there only 20- year old stoners.
Comment Profile ImagePatient/Cooperative
Comment #47 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:55 pm
This is very disheartening. Robert, I know you have done everything by the books & I am sorry that they still found a way to create issues. I do hope that you will be able to reopen soon.

As a medicinal user I am very saddened. Now I have to resort to buying off the street or driving into downtown San Diego to obtain my medicine. Medicine that does not kill, is not addictive, does not cause people to go into rage and kill others. A medicine that by records has never Caused A single death. Sure, there are those who choose to drive while impaired, that is a very bad thing to do, but there are still more alcohol related deaths on the road, deaths from alcohol are gigantic in numbers. I wish people would just open their eyes & see MMJ as a good thing & not a bad thing.

Look at the comments form hmmm, perfect example. Stop looking at things through narrow eyes people. As noted throughout all these posts, you see the comparisons to pharmaceuticals & alcohol, yet no one defends them? It's big business propaganda.

GreatViews....excellent post.

Mother Earth, come back soon, I'm already tired of driving to San Diego & callin' the local dealer for my medicine!
Comment Profile ImageRob H.
Comment #48 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:55 pm
"My personal favorite is the open container law. Its stupid. Having a cool one on my drive home does not impair my driving."
Awesome. You just convinced me! Legalize marijuana!! Hooray!
Credibility. You could look it up.
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Comment Profile ImageRob H.
Comment #49 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:56 pm
"as a nurse,Ive seen the benefits of marinol..for those of you who know SO MUCH about the "BAD" effects..I do hope you NEVER experience the ravishes of a terminal disease and NEED relief...Marinol provides that..sorry this places is having troubles and hope it can reopen soon for those who truly need their services!" First, this place did not distribute Marinol; it distributed marijuana, which is not medicine. Second, this place now has a patient list. They don't need to "reopen," they can simply distribute pot to the people on their list, out of compassion..that is, if they are in compliance with state law. Here's a tip: Compassionate people don't charge for their services. Another tip: Every time you take money in exchange for marijuana, you are violating state and federal law.
Be compassionate. Provide marijuana to aids and chemo patients, do it free of charge. That was the sales pitch given to voters in the form of Prop. 215. Respect the law, respect the will of the voters. Don't deal street drugs and disguise your operation as "compassonate caregiving."
Comment Profile ImageJames
Comment #50 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:56 pm
To all of you amazing people who can look at the people going in to collectives and can tell just by looking at them that they are fakers. I think you need to sell off everything you have buy a tent go on the road as a faithdoctor so you can tell everyone what is wrong with them just by using your super powers.

If you think these people don't need the medicine that thier doctors have said they need. Have a plan for you. Go get chemo and then try and live your life or you can come by my martial arts school and take free lessons and when the motrin and ice fails to relieve your pain and you wake up in the middle of the night in pain you might get an idea what some of these people feel. (Academy of World Martial Arts. Vista)

Oh, stop drinking that coffee and see what drug in addictive. Coffee has no medical valueand is highly addictive it should be schedule 1 not Cannabis.
Comment Profile Imageworthruss
Comment #51 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Since it has been established that hemp has healing and preventative effects against the everyday damage from the environment, and since the Netherlands has already established that hemp aroma therapy second hand exposure to children is far less damaging than tobacco by making the smoking of tobacco in all public places, but not hemp. Any kind of delay in getting this vital vitamin back into the circulation of all human beings is a violation of their human rights and should be met with total opposition. Of course the real medicine we all need is a fuel source like the hemp seed oil Rudolf Diesal designed his engine for, since it used to be so plentiful and reneweable. If we had a fuel whose fumes could cure Alzhiemer's, political lunacy, and some of the victim's of the Darwin awards, there wouldn't be a forty year old endless oil crisis that keeps their profits high and our ability to reason beyond what that glittering strobe hypnotizer the beast Media never seems to display he has control over. Tea party, we'll show you pseudo American's just what a tea party is really about!!!! You Rope? Europe! Isn't it fascinating that the reason the Northern European tribes could stop the Roman armies was because up north they knew how to store enough hay to keep them going through the winter. Ignorant of the need for storing fodder for livestock, the Romans could never quite figure out what they were doing wrong, early Alzhiemer's? Imagine the rapture of all those people realizing we all have a place in God's plan, and working together without the fog of the beast's delusions of animosity affecting and dividing us. Cannabis Assembly Member
Comment Profile Imagedr common sense
Comment #52 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Marijuana is a benign substance which offers countless people relief from hundreads if not thousands of symptoms. The pharmaceutical industry has been feeding us their 'miracle drugs' for decades with all the support in the world from the public despite the laundry list of negative side effects, and the physical addiction many of them create. And what about deaths? 783,936 die every year in the US from 'conventional medicine mistakes'. Our prescription drug death rate is loosely put at 106,000 a year. Statistics prove prescription drugs are 16,400% more deadly than terrorists. But at the core of this argument is the issue of full marijuana legalization, and why the government has the right to tell people what substances they can or can't consume. And even if for some reason -not seen by me- Uncle Sam does have the right to regulate morality, does the approach of prohibition even work? Has it ever worked in the past? The simple answer is no it doesn't, and it never has before. Just look at the numbers. Ten billion a year spent on marijuana enforcement alone, (this figure does not include court costs or that of incarceration). In 2008 according to the Federal Bureau of Investigations annual Uniform Crime Report, released September 14 2009, marijuana arrests now comprise 49.8% of all drug arrests reported in the United States, of those charged with marijuana violations, approximately 89% 754,224 Americans were charged with possession only. The remaining 93,640 were charged with "sale/manufacture" a category that includes all cultivation offenses, even those where the marijuana was grown for personal or medicinal use. We (the US) have 4.6% of the worlds population, but 22.5% of the worlds prisoners, meanwhile federal, state, local coffers are empty, prisons overcrowded, courts/police overworked .... With everything going on in the world we do this for what? A substance proven less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes and one that has zero related deaths and can replace half the medications in the average persons arsenal of 'legal' lethal drugs. National support for marijuana legalization according to a recent Zogby poll is at 44%, in California it is 56%, and 54% of the population has admittedly used marijuana. Under prohibition cannabis has become more potent and more people are using it, the average THC for tested marijuana during 2008 was 10.1%, according to the government, compared to 1983 when it was reportedly under 4%. Compare this to the highly (no pun intended) successful anti-tobacco campaign which has reduced consumption of the ladder in the past ten years by 50%, without one arrest. When I hear an organization or people in general speak pejoratively about marijuana, I often say to myself or those around me, "I wonder what is in it for them?"
Comment Profile ImageRob H.
Comment #53 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:57 pm
some dude wrote: "when the public allows the government to ignore law or find a sneaky loophole it hurts everyone. A person may agree with big gov. on this one, but too bad we voted it passed, IT IS LAW."
Obviously, you haven't read the law. Please do so. It's only one page long. Here is what the voters approved, which is what makes dispensaries illegal: "Section 1 (e) For the purposes of this section, ''primary caregiver" means the individual designated by the person exempted under this section who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person."
Medical marijuana users and their primary caregivers are the ONLY people given legal protection under 215. Profiteers who have tried to create a loophole in order to make money have tried and failed to create a "sneaky loophole," as you put it.
Please, find the law that allows the sale of marijuana, or non-caregivers to provide marijuana for sale. Don't just repeat the spin you read on the pro-pot websites. The rest of us can Google, too, ya know. And some of us actually READ Prop. 215 before voting on it.
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Comment Profile ImageRob H.
Comment #54 | Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Uh, guys...marijuana is still illegal under state and federal law. Proposition 215 granted a limited legal defense to potheads who have recommendations from "doctors."
Prop. 215 is only one page long. You might want to read it.
"To my knowledge no one has died from marijuna use." Really? You might want to expand your knowledge. Ask more than a thousand families who lost their homes in the Cedar fire, which was caused by a guy who got wasted..got paranoid....got lost...and thought it would be a good idea to start a brushfire. Oh, yeah, a dozen or so people DIED in that fire, which was deliberately started by a pothead. They found his pipe less than 20 feet from where he started the fire. "To my knowledge...." is crap.
Comment Profile Imagehmmm
Comment #55 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:08 am
re post 49 "compassionate people dont charge for their services" you dont know that EVEY hospice CHARGES MEDICARE OR PRIVATE INSURANCES for their services??And they are certainly compassionate..
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #56 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:08 am
Rob H., your so very adamant in your passion against "Potheads". Do you know anything more about the plant except for the fact you don't like "Potheads"? This is obviously very personal for you & I'm sorry you can't see more clearly, but it has become quite obvious to me while reading through these posts that you have a personal problem with "Potheads". It's very funny how you attack these "Potheads" like they are horrible people.

You don't watch "Cops" on your favorite news show "Fox" & see a crazy "Pothead" beating his wife. No, you see the strung out crackhead beating his wife. Oh, but in your opinion, this must be because marijuana led him to stronger narcotics? Well, then again, I did read somewhere on Google that Marijuana leads to more arsons than any other substance. Your trying to build a mountain out of a mole hill. Break off the right wing a tad bit and open your eyes. Narrow minded, oppressed bigots is what's destroying this country. I know this as a fact, because I just read it on Google.
Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #57 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:09 am
Rob H. at 8:57 PM Wed is incorrect in implying that storefront outlets for the medical marijuana raised by members of a collective cannot be distributed to members who did not help grow it.

The good news is that the California Supreme Court declined to hear on September 23, 2009 an appeal of the Butte County Case where the Third Appellate Court held in a published decision filed July 1, 2009:

1. IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR ALL MEMBERS OF A COLLECTIVE TO GET THEIR HANDS IN THE DIRT OR PARTICIPATE IN THE GARDENING PROCESS RAISING THE MARIJUANA. SOME MEMBERS CAN PROVIDE ONLY MONEY.

2. A person who is allowed an amount of marijuana and had it taken away or destroyed and there are no criminal cases pending can have it returned, and can sue in civil court for the value of it if it was destroyed or uprooted or not returned.

The ability to sue in CIVIL COURT for MONEY DAMAGES was one of the three main issues here.

THE APPELLATE COURT DECISION.
STATE SUPREME COURT DECLINED REVIEW
The County of Butte versus The Superior Court of Butte County filed for publication 7-1-2009 Third Appellate District. .

It is very clearly stated in the decision that the physical participation by all members of a collective is not required, and some can contribute financially. The appellate court upheld the trial court ruling from an earlier incident. (PAGE 6)

"… the legislature intended collective cultivation of medical marijuana would not require physical participation in the gardening by all members of the collective, but rather would permit that some patients would be able to contribute financially, while others performed the labor and contributed the skills and 'know-how'"

The decision was appealed and the California Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal on September 23, 2009.



For some persons now facing trial the DDA claims because the collective agreement was not in writing and the detective did not get his "hands in the dirt" or "participate in the gardening process" there "was no collective" so the accused must be prosecuted as a common felony drug dealer criminal. This may apply to Eugene Davidovich, Donna Lambert, Joseph Malone, and others now in court, and to others more recently arrested.




The California Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal September 23, 2009; therefore San Diego Courts and Police should recognize it and no longer try to challenge it.

What the San Diego DA, Deputy Sheriffs and Police are doing is a mockery of fairness and justice and is in utter disregard of the intent of the Compassionate Use Act (CUA) (Proposition 215) and the Medical Marijuana Program Act (MMPA) (SB 420).

They are charging the well-intentioned genuine qualified medical marijuana patient coordinating a small collective so that he/she and other qualified patients can grow and allocate marijuana at a lower cost with the SAME felony laws that apply to illegal street corner drug dealer sellers of unknown quality marijuana who sell to any buyer with money.

The state laws and appellate court decisions are still being ignored or defied by the San Diego DA office, Police and Sheriffs even to this very week in SD court proceedings, and in the big raids Sept 9, 2009.

Some victims from earlier raids are still being prosecuted. Why are those cases still being prosecuted? Maybe it is because they still hope the defendants charged with multiple felonies will cave and agree to sign an untrue “felony drug/gang” conviction with no jail time which would clear the DA and police of wrong doing and let them collect big bucks from the Feds for each conviction.. Maybe they would rather give felony charges to innocent persons rather than dismiss the charges and admit they were wrong. Maybe they are hoping to go to trial and convince the judges as they have done in the past that the medical marijuana laws do not exist or can not be told to the jury, or other confuse the jury to convict...

Someone should update Bonnie Dumanis and Deputy DAs Chris Lindbergh and Steven Walter ASAP before the Governor calls and the State Attorney General and/or the Grand Jury have to initiate an investigation and actually go through case records to prove the patterns of abuse, and they will no longer get by with the big publicity lie "we are only prosecuting illegal dispensaries."

A civil suit for an injunction and damages may have to be filed soon to begin to actually get the attention of the Attorney General and get this harassment stopped.

Actually maybe someone has finally got their attention and that is why almost none of the thirty some persons arrested in the Sept 9, 2009 raids has been charged. Their main excuse for the raids was they sent an undercover detective to go around and join the collectives but not get his hands in the dirt, and pay only money to “buy” some MMJ after he joined. Therefore everyone is just a common drug dealer in their uninformed opinion.
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Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #58 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:09 am
The "CENTER FOR MEDICINAL CANABIS RESEARCH" was established by the California State Legislature and the University of California a few years ago. It is centered at UC San Diego, which also has a well-known School of medicine to train doctors and a school of pharmacy. They have conducted some studies that were published in peer reviewed medical journals.
There is a lot of information about on their web site. www.cmcr.ucsd.edu Then click on the items to get a lot of public information about their research. There is no logon required for a lot of the information. . .

There have been newspaper articles about their research. There is one today Feb 18, in the LA Times. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-medical-marijuana18-2010feb18,0,1023346.story

They have just released a summary report to the legislature. It is available for anyone to see at http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf

One of the recent studies is a randomized, cross over, double blind clinical study set up by a team of expert medical instructors MD and PhD types. The lead researcher, Ronald J. Ellis has written has over 40 peer reviewed publications and authored more than one hundred scientific abstracts. He is a member of numerous organizations involved in the neurosciences. His bio and others may be found by following the links from the first web site above or from. http://neurosciences.ucsd.edu/biosx.php?pageid=REllis


To do this one clinical study they had to get approvals from all of these:
1. The UCSD Institutional Research Board.
2. The Research Advisory Panel of California,
3. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration
4. The U.S, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
5. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
6. The UCSD Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research
7. And to get the MMJ and compatible placebo to use the approval of
The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) was also required.

To look at the 35 page report on the methods and results of this study see http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/geninfo/Ellis_2008.pdf

It really is sad and counterproductive that most law enforcement officers, including narcotics detectives are taught nothing about these medical studies and the results.
It is a fact they are trained on material put out by the California Narcotic Officers Association and the National Narcotic Officers Association Coalition that says there is no such a thing as medical marijuana, and that all marijuana is an extremely harmful drug with no medical value.
Comment Profile ImageTYC
Comment #59 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
@ 53, 54 et. al.

No one has ever died from using cannabis. If some guy dropped a pipe and the pipe started a fire, still, no one died from using cannabis. The fire was the cause of death, not the cannabis use.

You want to keep cannabis illegal? Then keep it illegal. Doesn't stop anyone that wants it from using it. That's the whole point for legalization...to recognize the fact that we are saturated with cannabis. And it is distributed by untaxed, unregulated businesses...criminal or otherwise. You can no longer deny that cannabis is all around you. The Tuscon BP Section takes in 4 TONS each and every day while they admit that they only get 5 to 10 percent. That's not winning the drug war. It's the number one cash crop in about 30 states. Geez, some people will argue how bad 'marijuana' is right up until it's legal...again.

To my knowledge....prohibition is crap.

Didn't work before and it's not working now. Continuing to do the same thing over and over in the name of prohibition without differing results is by definition ... insanity.

So, exactly, why is cannabis illegal? Remember, you lose points for "it's illegal because it's an illegal drug".

Legalize and regulate.
Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #60 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
PEOPLE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD PAY ATTENTION WHEN THE STATE SUPREME COURT RULES 7 TO 0.

The newest confirmation of the MMJ laws came in the California Supreme Court decision in People V Kelly, dated January 21, 2010. The decision was SEVEN TO ZERO to uphold the personal allowance in Prop 215 and retain all of SB 420 except the two sentences in H&S 11362.77. (a) that states:

“(a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess
no more than eight ounces of dried marijuana per qualified patient.
In addition, a qualified patient or primary caregiver may also
maintain no more than six mature or 12 immature marijuana plants per
qualified patient.”

This leaves intact the rest of 11362.77 that says that that patients and caregivers may possess an amount consistent with the patient’s needs.

These limits in part (a) were INTENDED to be the FLOOR below which an officer was NOT to arrest the person, nor take his medicine away unless he had reasonable cause to believe the authorization was false or being used fraudulently. However in writing the intent into the law as passed they got several words in it wrong. The floor became the ceiling in the eyes of many officers and DA persons who believed they should arrest and convict anyone with over that “limit” even though the next paragraph said the person could have as much as was needed. Besides Patrick Kelly many other persons have been unfairly prosecuted.
(Locally Nathan Archer is still in the system fighting a conviction where the judge refused to allow the jury to be told a patient was allowed to have as much MMJ as was needed to meet his needs. Recently he was in court again refusing to sign papers that he was guilty even while his conviction is on appeal.)

The legislature tried to correct the error the next year and passed an amendment to an unrelated bill. However the governor did not sign the bill. So the State Supreme Court corrected the wrong interpretation in Kelly, announced January 21, 2010
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Comment Profile ImagePaul
Comment #61 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
The Rob H posts at 8:57 pm Wed are seriously misleading. And in parts are totally wrong. And in some parts these are totally insensitive and insulting to all the persons who find medical benefit from the use of medical marijuana and are insulting and injurious to their families. These are NOT “potheads” And the real medical science is substantial.
Prop 215 is short. Senate Bill 420, passed in 2003 is longer. It further implements prop 215 into the health and safety laws and adds several sections.

H and S section 11362.775 states:
“Qualified patients, persons with valid identification
cards, and the designated primary caregivers of qualified patients
and persons with identification cards, who associate within the State
of California in order collectively or cooperatively to cultivate
marijuana for medical purposes, shall not solely on the basis of that
fact be subject to state criminal sanctions under Section 11357,
11358, 11359, 11360, 11366, 11366.5, or 11570.”

1. It is NOT necessary to have the ID card to be a qualified patient.
2. A collective can be made up entirely of patients, or caregivers, or a mix.
3. It is not necessary for each member of a collective to get his/her hands in the dirt to help grow the plants or harvest the medicine.
4. DA Bonnie Dumanis and crew have charged many persons with felony sales for allocating medicine to collective members who had not got their hands in the dirt.
5. The Attorney general guidelines published in August 2008 state it is not necessary for each member to get their hands in the dirt.
AG Item 5. “Distribution and Sales to Non-Members are Prohibited: State law
allows primary caregivers to be reimbursed for certain services (including
marijuana cultivation), but nothing allows individuals or groups to sell or distribute
marijuana to non-members. Accordingly, a collective or cooperative may not
distribute medical marijuana to any person who is not a member in good standing
of the organization. A dispensing collective or cooperative may credit its members
for marijuana they provide to the collective, which it may then allocate to other
members. (§ 11362.765(c).) Members also may reimburse the collective or
cooperative for marijuana that has been allocated to them. Any monetary
reimbursement that members provide to the collective or cooperative should only
be an amount necessary to cover overhead costs and operating expenses.”
AG Item 6. “Permissible Reimbursements and Allocations: Marijuana grown at a
collective or cooperative for medical purposes may be:
a) Provided free to qualified patients and primary caregivers who are
members of the collective or cooperative;
b) Provided in exchange for services rendered to the entity;
c) Allocated based on fees that are reasonably calculated to cover
overhead costs and operating expenses; or
d) Any combination of the above.”
Comment Profile ImageBROOKTOWN
Comment #62 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
HEY ROB H HAVE U WATCHED MARIJUANA INC
Comment Profile ImageJames
Comment #63 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
Rob H. You can reaad but you don't get it. THe people in the collectives all are medical marijuana users with doctors notes. And how much are you r working for free. there are a lot of cost to growing medical grade cannabis. Not to mention the fact that they have to deal with the likes of you. What about the fires started by the DEA helocopter looking for marijuana? that fire burned down countless thousands of acres and destroyed many lifes. If you really look at SB420 it says that collectives are legal and the Attorney General set up guide lines for them to run.

The point being made is that marijuana is non-toxic at any level but people are responsible for thier actions.

I think you should stop drinking all that coffee as it is highly addictive and has no medical value. Now when you drink your next cup you will say that guy can't tell me what to do, but you think it is ok for you to tell others what to do. You sir are a bad person and should read the whole truth not just your part.

Today a study came out that says "Marijuana is medicine"
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu
if you truly can read, read this.

Now stop spreading hate and lies.
Comment Profile ImageRecovered
Comment #64 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:10 am
I am now approaching 50. Believe me, I did think alot about my about this. I fought it a long time. I wanted to set an 'example'. Fatigue and pain won out. And pride because I don't want people to think I am lazy and using the 'System'.
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Comment Profile Imagerecovered
Comment #65 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:11 am
As a youth I used for entertainment. I quit at about 21 years and stayed clean until about a year ago. I now use about 3 or 4 times a month when the pain in my back gets so bad I cannot sleep for weeks at a time. I get so tired, I need a good nights sleep. I do not have health insurance and cannot afford to go to a doctor and get powerful narcotics. Drinking myself to sleep does not work either. I don't puke, forget, get violent, fall down and hurt myself. I smoke a little, go into a deep, relaxed sleep, and wake refreshed. I go to work, earn my pay, pay my taxes, do not commit crimes, and support myself. Would you rather I get on Disability, have taxpayers support me, and not contribute to society and loose my self-worth? What to do...What to do....?
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #66 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:22 am
I have three questions I would like to address to Mr.Robert Riedel. Thank you Bob for your anticipated responses.

1.It's my understanding you have over 1000 patients to whom you service. What is the average age of those 1000 patients?

2.Approximately how much money would be paid to the State by Mother Earth in the forms of California Sales Tax, Payroll Taxes, and usage fees, after one year based on your present patient demand? (This question of course is based on the already broken (and Broke) County of San Diego allowing you to continue operations).


3.How many individuals have lost their lives or taken the lives of others in a motor vehicle accident after leaving your establishment under the influence?
Comment Profile ImageJohnny
Comment #67 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:23 am
Being born in Fallbrook, I remember in the 70s 80s about a plant named Fallbrook Red Hair. I did business in Chelsea, mass. and when i told people I was from Fallbrook they knew Fallbrook Red Hair. My point is wether you take M.J. or not it has been a part of Fallbrook for a long time. The voters have spoken many times, If they comply with local laws and as they change they adapt and comply. How can it be wrong? Just like JJs or village spirits or even better Fallbrook pharmacy. The county looks to me like they are asking for litigation with our tax dollars.
Comment Profile Imagekidsview
Comment #68 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:54 am
For those of us with parents stuck in the 60's I do not have fond memories of growing up watching my mother and father grow it, smoke it, dryn it out in the oven, getting paranoid when it was gone and they couldn't smoke the roaches any further/ I'm just sayN, from the kids view its messed up when your parents are oblivious to you emotionally because they are in another spacy place and live for the 'high'. Probably the same feeling as an alcoholic parent or something - lots of things were given to us by God, and grow in the Earth, some are called poisen.
Comment Profile Imagebad
Comment #69 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:55 am
Personally, being a 22 year old who has been around this stuff since I was in middle school, I am glad they are shutting this place down. The Police are right in saying that many people who have no health problems are obtaining medical cards then going around and selling them to people who dont have them for a profit. It's disgusting.
Comment Profile ImageBROOKTOWN
Comment #70 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:35 pm
HEY GREAT VIEWS EXCELLENT QUESTIONS I BET HE PAYS MORE TAXES IN ONE YEAR THEN THE AVERAGE WORKING CLASS PERSON WILL PAY IN THERE LIFE TIME AND IF ITS NOT IN ONE YEAR DEFINITLY IN TWO YEARS TIME
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #71 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:46 pm
'GreatViews'

1) 80% of our members are over 50.

2) The question is, not surprisingly, popular in California, which has a $24 billion deficit. In February, one lawmaker introduced a bill to tax and regulate cannabis sales to any adult over 21 at any licensed establishment—and in April, a poll found that 56 percent of Californians supported the idea. In May, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said it was "time for debate" about legalizing and taxing marijuana. Other states facing similar fiscal woes, such as Illinois, are considering proposals that would legalize and tax either medical or all marijuana. Sensing opportunity, marijuana-reform lobbyists have enticed legislators with promises of fat tax revenues, as high as $1 billion annually in California.

This is not counting the dollars we as a "not for profit" will generate for our local charites.

3) There has never been a death or accident. Our members do not medicate at the bulding

Annual Causes of Death in the United States:

Tobacco 435,0001
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, (March 10, 2004), G225 Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1238, 1240.
http://proxy.baremetal.com/csdp.org/research/1238.pdf
Comment Profile ImageBROOKTOWN
Comment #72 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I DO KNOW IF U WATCH MARIJUANA INC THE GUY WHO STARTED OAKSTERDAMN OWNS A DISPENSARY AND HE SAID HE PAYS ABOUT 800-900 THOUSAND A YEAR IN TAXES TO BOTH STATE AND HOW IRONIC FEDERAL CONSIDERING ITS NOT FEDERALY LEGAL BUT THEY DONT HAVE A PROBLEM TAKING THAT TAX MONEY U TELL ME WHO THE CRIMINALS ARE HERE
Comment Profile ImageOldWarrior
Comment #73 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Wow. Just read the headlines on the VR's webpage about robberies at gunpoint, alcohol related deaths, and illegal immigration. Why waste time hassling these people? I moved to Fallbrook from Orange County as a teenager in 1974, and at that time (and for MANY years after) most every time I told another San Diegan that I lived in Fallbrook, the universal response was "OH MAN KILLER FALLBROOK REDHAIR." . Fallbrook was known for it then, and beside the avocados, really the only thing it's ever been known for. Lay off the potheads, in the vast majority they don't harm anyone, and aren't there a lot bigger problems in the 'friendly' village these days?
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Comment Profile ImageOldWarrior
Comment #74 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:00 pm
I also find it interesting that by far the more lucid arguments made in this forum were posted by the "potheads"
Comment Profile Imagekeep it going
Comment #75 | Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:41 pm
3 more post and we go in to 9th place in the most commented section. Come on people, we can do it...
Comment Profile ImagePessimistic
Comment #76 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:33 am
BROOKTOWN - DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO YELL? SHEEEEESHH...
Comment Profile Image3jnotinbfa
Comment #77 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:34 am
This is actually a sign of progress. The county did not raid the place commando style, and the owner will not be arrested. Progress is good.

We need to keep up the good fight. Support pro-marijuana legislation, write representatives, join organizations such as NORML, vote out those who do not support the cause and let our voices be heard. LEGALIZE NOW!
Comment Profile ImageJames
Comment #78 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:34 am
Join the national day of protest March 26th 2010 from 12:00 noon to 2:00pm. If you are near Downtown San Diego it will be at 940 Front st. If not go to your local city hall and protest the illegal raides by the DEA against medical marijuana.
Comment Profile ImageM Welling
Comment #79 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:34 am
I am overjoyed at the many comments I've read here on this important issue, in that we are witnessing people coming together and learning is taking place. Preconceived, narrow minded prejudices giving way to truth, who knows where this will lead. I am starting to have faith again that we can find peaceful solutions to the many more pressing problems we face in these trying times.

Way to go Fallbrook, I didn't think you had it in ya...

PS I think the authors of "some" of the more negative comments could qualify, via a psychologist, for a card and benefit greatly from the use of of this herb as it would ratchet back a tad on their excessive and unhealthy sphincter tension and make them easier to live with as a side effect...
Comment Profile Imageanonymous
Comment #80 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:35 am
... go to www.420properties.com this biz and topic is HUGE.
Comment Profile ImageKeep it going
Comment #81 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:03 am
Come on, 4 more and we are in 7th place. Are we going to let "gang sweeps" beat us??
Comment Profile ImageHmmm...
Comment #82 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:21 am
If all of the nurseries in the Fallbrook area would set themselves up to grow and sell when it finally DOES become legal...(we all know it's coming one of these days)...I wonder how much $$$ that would bring to the local Fallbrook economy...and who would still be complaining THEN...
Comment Profile ImageANON
Comment #83 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Don't be blaming marijuana because your parents didn't spend enough time with or your life sucks because you smoked weed in the past you guys decided to make those decisions not the weed yeah blaming weed for your problems is easy you guys decided to be that way not the weed.
Comment Profile ImageBROOKTOWN
Comment #84 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:49 pm
JUST MAKING MY POINT BEING HEARD ALSO NOT JUST FALLBROOKS ECONOMY THIS WHOLE STATES ECONOMY NOVEMBER THIS YEAR IT WILL BE LEGALIZED AND JUST SO ALL OF U KNOW I AM NOT A REGISTERED VOTER BUT JUST MIGHT BECOME ONE SO I CAN VOTE FOR THE LEGALIZATION
Comment Profile Imagedr common sense
Comment #85 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Beverly Hills NORML hosts L.A. Hemp Expo this weekend. HempCon 2010 will be held this weekend at L.A. Convention center. --150,000 expected to attend.
Legalize, Regulate, Educate.
Comment Profile ImageKeep it going
Comment #86 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Pessimistic.
I think brooktown is not sure that once you hit the CAPS lock key, you can hit it once more to take the all CAPS off. Like AnchormanS famous weather-man Brick Tamland once said "WHY IS EVERYONE YELLING"

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT, WE ARE 5 AWAY FROM 7TH PLACE...

Stay classy Fallbrook
Comment Profile ImageBlue Heron
Comment #87 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Just more evidence of antediluvian San Diego County shirking the law of California and the will of the people. Sheriff Brust admits that there was no attendant rise in crime so you chicken little's need not squawk about its proximity to schools, etc..

As a member of the coop who has undergone multiple cancer surgeries in the last year, I can tell you that it was highly regulated and no threat to anybody. It is the job of the county to create zoning for medical marijuana dispensaries, since they have been legal in the state since 1996. The county fathers are playing in bad faith and I hope that they get their asses sued. San Diego has already lost twice at the supreme court. Shall we make it three?
Comment Profile ImageHerbfolkz
Comment #88 | Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:14 pm
all this talk about it legalization in nov. you clearly did not read the prop. that is going to be on the ballot in Nov. it allows local government to decide if they want marijuana in their county or city,if they are opposing med use legal for 14 years ,what makes you think another ballot measure approved by voters is going to change anything keep dreaming,horn,jacobs and slater price will never allow marijuana to be sold in THEIR county period. get it !
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Comment #89 | Saturday, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:00 am
Hmmmm... What do you think keeps and has kept the local Humboldt economy going for many years?
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #90 | Saturday, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:49 pm
WOW! I'm very surprised to return back to this thread and find the volume of responses regarding Mother Earth and Medical Marijuana. Just imagine if we were to utilize the same amount of energy and focus on presenting this matter for consideration to the "powers that be".

What did they call that again?..... Oh... That's right... A Democracy.

Although, there is one element of this open forum that makes itself abundantly clear. Some of us should attempt to educate ourselves further before commenting. There are tremendous resources available to all of us through the internet. Although, some excellent viewpoints have been presented, many of us are still basing our opinions on hearsay. A little education goes a very long way.

Possibly for the supporters of Mother Earth, a petition should be established at a grass roots level. I for one, would be willing to be the first name on the list.

Mr. Reidel had responded to one of my previous questions regarding the average patient age. I think that some of us should consider that decisions being made by responsible adult individuals at the average age of 50, may carry much more credence than we might understand or consider.

That fact alone should be enough initiative for some of us to educate ourselves a little further on the usage of Medical Marijuana, the overall effects on the body, and the ACTUAL California laws regarding same. What' the worst that can happen by learning the facts? Are we afraid of being just a little more well informed?

I myself took several hours to resource some on-line information regarding the use of medical marijuana through the Harvard Medical library. Quite frankly? I was very surprised at the contrast between the facts and the hearsay. It is amazing what some of us have been taught to believe.

We, as thinking people, should all attempt to keep this one thought ever present:

"Your mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open".
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #91 | Saturday, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Hope is all people have, no matter what the case may be. A womans right to vote, the right for an African American to sit anywhere he likes on a bus or anywhere at all for that matter. Without the voice of the people there will never be change, so as long as we continue to "Fight For Our Rights" there is always going to be hope. Horn, Jacobs Price, etc. will not live forever. There will be people to replace them, just like you and I, we could get run over by a bus tomorrow&someone will be available to step in where we once were to fill our shoes. Vote&keep the fight going!

I would like to know the future of Mother Earth. Will she be allowed to open her doors again? If so, what kind of time frame are we looking at? What other dispensaries are located in North County for Fallbrook patients?
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Comment #92 | Saturday, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:50 pm
"FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE" What a great catch frase! At one point in our history it ment something. Then we gave it away. Why? Why do our elected officals see our vote and think they no better? You and I both know, we let it happen. We stopped carring for others unless approved and promted on TV. People here, now, in the USA are dieing and suffering but because we dont see it on the news it doesnt effect us!

We worry about what legacy we will leave our children. Global warming and the devastion of this planet are on the tip of our tounges and never think of what rights will be taken away by the new leaders.

In the war of 1812 the US fought a war against Great Britain because at that time we did not have the food and other products to mantain the americans that lived here. So we started trading canibus to canada. In turn they supplied us with food, farming tools and there open arms.

1814 when the British ended the war with the French they setup a blockade and burnt the WHITE HOUSE down to the ground.

Our constitution was writen on cannabis paper. Benjamin Franklin started one of the first paper companies in us history useing cannabis which is the strongest, longest lasting paper on the planet.

That is only 1 of the 50,000 products made from cannabis. It is the strongest and softest natural fiber known to man. Some products unclude biodegradeable plastics, gun powder, 2500 textiles products, lumber and building materials, Bio fuel, 50% of all medicins and is a better food source then soy.

Ask your self what this is really about? $$$$$$$$$$$ and thats it.

Its been said if this plant was found today in some obscure country found between two rocks it would be the miracle find of the century.

If our leaders think with all there education that they are smarter then the people with their 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years of experiance. We the people collectively voting on a prop. is 10s of 1000s of years of experiance.

So when do we say enough is enough! The last time we faced over 50% taxation we declared indipendence of Great Britain. The Middle class of the USA is the most profitable the strongest corporation in the world. So what do we do, live like rats like we have been?
Comment Profile ImageCommen Sense
Comment #93 | Saturday, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Hmmm- some fake nurse you pretend to be. Marinol comes in pill form also - so admit you are just a doper looking to get high.
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Comment #94 | Saturday, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Bottom line, keep your business away from local schools. Across the street is not okay. I am not opposed to your business, but the location.
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Comment #95 | Sunday, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:43 am
...And if my last comment offended you, take it as a Sign; that you need to take the $ystem's D**k out of your .........
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Comment #96 | Sunday, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:45 am
READ POST # 88 !!

VERY Important Point made by Herbfolkz. You Alcoholic, Caffeine-Addicted, $ystem-Zomboidz need to partake of some Indica and CHILL ....

There is no need for a "NEW Law"....(as Herbfolkz said), just RESPECT and Will to LIVE BY THE LAW. I love when someone calls themselves "Concerned Citizen" (HA!), but what they actually mean is "Fascist, B....-of-the-E$tablishment, Coward who forgot how to THINK instead of regurgitating FEAR-based BULL....".......... how IRIE-onic!

BLESSINGZ&RESPECT to CONSCIOUS F'BROOK PEEPZ, I must say I am Pleasantly Impressed with the # of TRUTHFUL comments on here!

As for the rest of y'all $ell-Outs and TRAITORS to Humanity, why don't you go help clean up undetonated landmines in 3rd-world countries, or help test the effects of Depleted Uranium on Innocent Civilians and Soldiers....in other words, make your Delusional .....useful...

RESPECT
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #97 | Sunday, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:41 pm
to owners... This too has been discussed throughout these posts as well. Mother Earth only allowed adults that were 21 years of age & older, not even the legal to vote people that are 18 are aloud to enter this facility. This facility is not a "Water Cooler" where everyone hangs out. It also does not play host to loitering. It's also only a few blocks from the Sheriffs Department as well. Come on people. I mean really!

It does not condone nor attract "Sketchy People". The "Sketchy People" are the ones outside the fences of the local schools.

Do people think that these patients go into this place & get their medication to walk across the street to peddle it to 5 year old kids?!? Pleeeeze!

Bring Back Mother Earth! She's harmless to all of those that oppose her. For those that do oppose her, that is your right, but it is also the right of legally licensed patients to not have their rights taken away. Political BS!

Everyone that is reading through this knows very well that this had nothing to do with building codes, this was a personal agenda & goal of a Mr. Brust {Whom is now "Pleased it is closed"}

In my opinion, Mr. Brust should spend more time taking the dealers off the streets. Agh, but no, that's hard work. Something Mr. Brust is not familiar with. Don't forget, the black market sellers are selling to kids & their not just selling cannabis, they are pushing Heroin & Crack that's laced with Red Lye & numerous other horrible chemicals.

It is like the theory on guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Oh yeah, almost forgot, the gun shop is right next to the school. We're gonna have to close them down too. I think the goods they are providing to the public kill. Well, the Sheriff is basically next door to them too, so that's probably okay, because we know how gun owners feel about their guns, right Mr. Brust? Right?

Give Mother Earth her permit, let her back home so that she can provide the wonderful service she once did. She has saved my liver & brain from the pharmaceuticals I had been taking to only relieve my pain. Does anyone know what it's like to only sleep two to three hours a night because of pain? Do you know the prescribed medication to put me to sleep can cause suicide, hostility, sleep walking as well as numerous more side affects? Stories of people sleep walking and getting in their vehicles to go to work in the middle of the night, "Asleep"! No more!

Can't tell me that the Pharmaceutical company's want Cannabis legalized. The losses they would incur would be devastating. Same goes for Insurance companies. Who's linked to these business giants? Politicians... It's a cruel, cruel world filled with selfish, self centered, money hoarding pigs. It's truly disgusting!

Bring Back Mother Earth!
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Comment #98 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:21 am
Just look at the number of posts, for and against marijuana. Then decide what the MAJORITY wants. It is time for the majority to run the show, not some church organizations moral code.
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Comment #99 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:23 am
re 93 I WAS speaking of the marinol pill form.Are you aware how expensive it is?I simply stated there are ways to get relief that perhaps are NOT conventional to everyone.Nothing fake here...
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Comment #100 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:23 am
Mother Earth, we are praying for you.Thank you for taking the risks. As for you self-righteous mobs, well we know you guys are casting those stones because you are all so squeaky clean....

SO many people are just looking for someone or something to have control over. I think they must feel like kicking the stuffins outa somebody. I am sorry for them. I am praying for them too. Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.....
Comment Profile ImageFor what it's worth
Comment #101 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:01 am
To be honest I have not been to the local dispensary but I do wish them well in redneckvill as the battle will definitely be up hill in this county and this town.

I have heard a lot about other dispensaries and the rather high priced, multi colored product with cute little names like blueberry (which was actually blue). Most of the plants are grown from genetically mixed and hybridized clones, grown indoors under excessive hours of artificial light in who knows what kind of growing medium. Get a grip will ya?

It's a weed, Cannabis sative or indica, the sativa (north and South America) is tall, up to 15 feet and indica (Middle East) is shorter, bushier, more resinous and smells like a skunk. Both of these natural herbs have more than enough of the active ingredient Tetrahydrocannabinol just as they are, as long as it is grown in good D G and not fertilized, (especially w/ chemicals). Medicinal herbs are less potent when cultivated (fertilized etc.)

Fallbrook has the perfect soil and climate so "if " you are sick and have the "law" on your side, poke a few seeds in the ground or containers, give it full natural sun light, out doors and in about 8 to 10 months you will have enough to last you a year. A word to the wise, you must plan your location well, because this particular herb is of much interest to many two, four, six and eight legged creatures with emphasis on the 2 and 4 legged critters, along with inch worms late in the season but a little hands-on care will take care of that.

All in all, botanically interesting and fun ... I would imagine... Think I may just add it to my bucket list..

If you are sick, in need and legal but lack the green thumb or just wanna have someone hold your hand you could try getting organic advise here, I found this in a little food store in town...
http://i35.tinypic.com/24qk1sz.jpg

P.s If it was me I would just go down and ask the police what they think. This is not a police state yet so I doubt they will through you in the klink for asking questions and it is the law plus more police officers are for legalization than against.
Go here http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php and here http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/30/citing_failed_war_on_drugs_former

I think the part about leaving it up to counties weather to allow it does not mean leaving it up to certain county officials or employees. I rather think it means the entire county residents... no? The majority rules right ? si ... no ... posiblamente
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Comment #102 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:53 pm
According to a local Pharmacy, Marinol is $2.29 per tablet, a max dose of 20mg daily for 30 days is $549.00. Now, you have to ask yourself, who is getting the shaft. That is a profit margin of approx. $1000.00 according to a past post concerning this matter, and who is making a nice profit from the drug companies??
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Comment #103 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:51 pm
concerned resident: just so you know, when majority rules, this is called "democracy", which suprisingly (since we've all been brainwashed to believe to be the end all) is NOT what was intended by the founders. Read their quotes on democracy- they hated it. We are supposed to be ruled by "the rule of law", which is a REPUBLIC. Rule by the majority is mob rule and no one wants that once they truly understand what it really means. Do some research.
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Comment #104 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:44 pm
So when you dont agree its a mob? Go learn the truth.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #105 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:33 pm
To For What it's Worth... I'm laughing out loud at your post. If this really were "Redneckville" there wouldn't be a problem either selling or buying "weed". Obviously you've never been to Humbolt County.
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #106 | Monday, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:34 pm
keep it going.....SHAME ON YOU!

Are you suggesting that someone should use a $549 prescription drug made from a delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, which is one of more than 400 compounds found in the marijuana plant?

On your behalf, in anticipation of you offending anyone who may also be in opposition to the "other" delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, outlets such as: Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid, etc. being located in "unacceptable" areas, or as stated: "The dispensary's location just wasn't conducive.", I've provided the following information from ABBOTT LABORATORIES for additional clarity:


"Synthetic cannabinoid may also provide additional benefit for prevention of acute CINV when added to a standard antiemetic regimen

MARIETTA, Ga. - (May 15, 2005) – Results of a new study showed MARINOL® (dronabinol) CIII Capsules helps to reduce delayed chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (CINV). MARINOL® is a synthetic version of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, which is one of more than 400 compounds found in the marijuana plant (Cannabis sativa L). The research was presented today at the American Society of Clinical Oncology’s Annual Meeting in Orlando, Fla.

The research also suggested that adding a small dose of MARINOL® (2.5 mg) to the standard preventive antiemetic regimen helped relieve CINV on the day of chemotherapy. On Days 2 through 5 following chemotherapy, the study concluded that continued treatment with MARINOL® alone, or in combination with ondansetron (a commonly used serotonin receptor antagonist), was more effective than placebo in reducing delayed CINV and comparable to ondansetron alone.

“Despite the introduction of new chemotherapy treatments and antiemetics since the approval of MARINOL® in 1985, there still remains an unmet need for patients suffering from nausea and vomiting,” said Harold H. Shlevin, Ph.D., president and CEO of Solvay Pharmaceuticals, Inc. and chairman and CEO of Unimed Pharmaceuticals, Inc. “Solvay Pharmaceuticals continues to invest in research in this important area and strives to provide physicians with current information for their patients. Understanding the role of MARINOL® for controlling nausea and vomiting may help doctors better manage patients’ symptoms, thus encouraging patients to maintain their chemotherapy schedule.”

MARINOL® is indicated for the treatment of anorexia associated with weight loss in patients with AIDS and for the treatment of nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy in patients who have failed to respond adequately to conventional antiemetic treatments.

Chemotherapy-Induced Nausea and Vomiting
Up to 50 percent of patients experience nausea and vomiting following moderately emetogenic treatment.1 Symptoms occurring on Day 1 following chemotherapy are referred to as acute CINV. Delayed CINV occurs more than 24 hours following chemotherapy treatment and sometimes is a result of poor symptom management of acute CINV.

“While acute symptoms are often more severe, it is the delayed symptoms that can result in hospitalization for dehydration and metabolic disorders,” said James J. Vredenburgh, M.D., Division of Medical Oncology at Duke University Medical Center and a co-author of the study. “Delayed symptoms have a significant impact on patients’ quality of life.”

The severity of CINV contributes to a reluctance to continue chemotherapy in many patients.2,3 In addition to symptoms directly related to CINV, poor symptom management also is associated with fatigue, anorexia, insomnia and a deterioration in physical and cognitive functioning.4 The current therapy regimen for preventing CINV includes serotonin (5-HT3) receptor antagonists, but they appear to be less effective in preventing delayed nausea and vomiting than the acute form.5

About the Study
The study was designed and conducted by investigators at Bethesda Memorial Hospital in Boynton Beach, Fla., Compassionate Cancer Care in Fountain Valley, Calif., Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C., among others, and sponsored by Solvay Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

The frequency and severity of nausea and vomiting was observed in a placebo-controlled, double-blind, parallel group, five-day study of 64 subjects receiving moderate to high emetogenic chemotherapy. Subjects were randomized into four therapy groups for evaluation on Days 2 through 5: 1) MARINOL®; 2) ondansetron; 3) combination MARINOL® and ondansetron and 4) placebo. All groups received a standard pre-chemotherapy antiemetic regimen of dexamethasone (a corticosteroid) and ondansetron. Subjects randomized to active treatment for Days 2 through 5 also received MARINOL® in addition to the standard antiemetic regimen, prior to and following chemotherapy on Day 1. Treatment continued through Day 5 with daily symptom assessment.

The primary efficacy evaluation for the delayed CINV study was total response defined as nausea intensity of less than 5 mm on a 100 mm visual analog scale (VAS), no vomiting/retching and no use of a rescue antiemetic. Secondary evaluations included presence or absence of nausea, nausea intensity on the VAS and the number of vomiting/retching episodes. A total of 61 subjects were analyzed for efficacy.

“The results support the potential role of MARINOL® for managing delayed CINV,” said Lou Barbato, M.D., director of neuroscience clinical development and medical affairs, Solvay Pharmaceuticals, Inc. “The research also reinforces the value of the treatment’s unique mechanism of action for preventing nausea and vomiting that follows chemotherapy.”
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #107 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:26 am
Just one of those things ya' read that make ya' wanna say Hmmmm.
Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #108 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 am
I would like to thank everyone who has posted their thoughts and feelings to this site. I am proud of everyone that has taken the time to contribute pro or against the action our political machine has taken to close this business.

Whether you believe this closure is legal or moral (or actually care if it is or not) you have participated in the process. Whether you know it or not, you better be prepared to question every decision that is made by the legal/political machine that has been created in our country.

Whether you believe that a Liquor store or a gun shop or a Police station or even a gas station should be within 1000 feet of a school, just think of what our politicians have decided is ok or not to be discussed in our schools (say God for example...sorry I maybe should be spelled it without a capitol G).
Ultimately I hope the majority of the people (or mob rule...depending on your outlook) will govern this country. Sorry but I believe if you think the majority is mob rule..you better find a mob you like better...or Start a Revolution.

1st) Read the law. (Don't be suprised if you find it was written with vague verbage)

2nd) Question the people you pay to put in office and see if they are doing their job or following their own agenda (That includes whether you agree or not because one day you won't) This means seek the real truth.

3rd) Act...that means do your research to vote for the person that will actually represent your interests.

And lastly use your brain. Hopefully you it will help you decide what you think is right (and righteous).
Intelligence and action will prevail.
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Comment #109 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:11 am
Great Views

Did you read my post? First it was posted that the drug cost the consumer $1500.00. That same drug cost $2.29 per dose totalling $549 a month. What I was saying is the Goverment gets a large chunk out of that profit margin. Last time I check, with 2nd grad math is that someone is making $1000.00 per 30 day dose. The drug company has about a 19% corp. tax on them, which mean if you can get MJ at a place in town with little to no tax (Ca is I believe at 8.25%) big difference there. Forget it, you Ma'am are not worth the full explaination. Come on, are you serious that you could not read between the line on that one. If not, then I must believe that when you get confused that is all you can do and think HMMMMMMMM due to you cannot process higher level thought.
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Comment #110 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:26 am
I lost a very dear friend to breast cancer. In the last years of her life she bought marijuana off the street to help her cope with the nausea and other symptoms caused by chemotherapy, smoking it alone and in shame in her bathroom, blowing the smoke out the window out of fear she might be discovered by her two young boys. The marijuana, however, was recommended by her physician and it was the most effective medicine she found to alleviate her suffering -- although the last thing she needed was more stigma and pain. Bob Riedel and his co-op members provided a great service in opening Mother Earth Alternative Healing Cooperative, Inc. to the members of our community who require marijuana for treatment of not only the symptoms of chemo, but also anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraines and other illnesses. The co-op provided a safe, even discreet environment for these people. The clinic at 434 Mission Avenue was an ordinary building, painted all white, with no visible signage, not a single marijuana leaf anywhere in sight. I doubt even the parents who visited the facility across the street once a month for their HOME-schooled kids were even aware of the true nature of Mother Nature's business. I hope for the sake of the co-op's customers, the majority being between the ages of 50 and 80, many terminally ill, that it re-opens, if not in the same building, at least somewhere in our community. It's been 14 years since Prop. 215, better known as the Compassionate Use Act, was approved by California's voters. It's about time the powers that be in the county of San Diego got compassionate. (BTW, CA sales tax is now at 8.75%).
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Comment #111 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:26 am
Correction: SAN DIEGO sales tax is 8.75%.
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #112 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:18 am
"Last time I check, with 2nd grad math is that someone is making $1000.00 per 30 day dose."

Hmmmm.
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Comment #113 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:29 am
GreatView,

Ma'am, again you have proven yourself to be an idiot. Great Job!!!
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Comment #114 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Such ignorance, everyone knows Cannabis is one of the lowest toxicity substances around, even water is more dangerous in large amounts.....
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Comment #115 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Come on guys, cant we all just get along?
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Comment #116 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:20 pm
I cant believe most of you...Cannabis is medicine, not a "gateway drug" I have been using cannabis as medicine and as a way to commune with my god for several years, I am completely healthy (even reversed some of my chronic ailments) and have never used any other drug, I even stopped drinking alcohol. WAKE UP FALLBROOK!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Comment #117 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Lester Grinspoon, MD, Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, wrote in his opinion article, "Puffing is the Best Medicine," published May 5, 2006 in the Los Angeles Times:
"[T]here is very little evidence that smoking marijuana as a means of taking it represents a significant health risk.
Although cannabis has been smoked widely in Western countries for more than four decades, there have been no reported cases of lung cancer or emphysema attributed to marijuana.


I suspect that a day's breathing in any city with poor air quality poses more of a threat than inhaling a day's dose -- which for many ailments is just a portion of a joint -- of marijuana."


May 5, 2006 - Lester Grinspoon, MD
Comment Profile ImageGreatViews
Comment #118 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:22 pm
"Ma'am, again you have proven yourself to be an idiot. Great Job!!!"

BTW, I'm not a 'Ma'am".
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #119 | Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Lester Grinspoon??????
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Comment #120 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:04 am
Pink, not sure of the question.
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Comment #121 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:12 am
“Fallbrook's medical pot shop is no more, falling victim not to criminal law enforcement but to county code enforcement.”
The county also dinged the grass roots dispensary, which said it serves about 1,000 patients, for putting up interior walls without approval for such remodeling work.
During its half-year run, Mother Earth was open about what it did at the location, even joining Fallbrook's Chamber of Commerce in November and taking part in the community's Christmas parade.
Mother Earth is registered as a medical marijuana cooperative with the California secretary of state, following the 2008 guidelines issued by the state's attorney general office for medical marijuana groups. They also had a reseller's permit.
"They are a state recognized and sanctioned business," said Dwayne Stein, one of Riedel's attorneys through the process.
San Diego sheriff's Lt. Phil Brust, who runs the Fallbrook station, said there had been no increase in crime related to the shop since it opened, and he said Riedel had come into the station to share his plans and invite deputies to tour the place.
Still, Brust said, the shop "raised his eyebrows" and he was glad to see it shut down.
Attorney Stein said he believes that the co-op has been "wrongly portrayed by the county."
"All they want to do is provide their patients with the medicine they need," Stein said. "The law provides that they can operate their cooperative exactly as they are."
Gail Martin, Fallbrook's honorary mayor, said she was "appalled" at the order to shut down Mother Earth, which she said has been misunderstood.
"If you have a moral opinion (that marijuana is bad), that's dandy," Martin said, "but don't shut them down
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Comment #122 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:13 am
I hope Mother Earth dispensary is able to reopen soon, in accordance for the law Californians voted for so many years ago.
The sherriff obviously pictures himself as morally superior to anyone who would patronize this establishment and has a personal vendetta against pot smokers, as is par for the course with most law enforcement officers.
Plastered on whiskey in your own home=fine & dandy
Smoking marijuana in your own home=criminal lowlife
It keeps them gainfully employed and more occupants pumping in, filling up those prisons and eventually the taxpayer is told we must foot the bill to construct more prisons. One of California's fastest growing industries is incarcerating its residents, and I'm sure the good sheriff is more than happy to be able to do his part to keep the lucrative industry rolling strong. (lucrative for LEOs and the corporations that benefit from building and supplying prisons in addition to enjoying cheap inmate labor) Not so lucrative for the taxpayers of California.
additionally, GreatViews I have no idea what you have been trying to say in your posts, other than the one part where you attempted to insinuate patrons left the dispensary blitzed on pot and caused fatal traffic accidents.
your reading comprehension, grasp on reality, and ability to communicate are very poor.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #123 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:31 am
We want to thank everyone for all your support. We have filled an appeal with the Superior Courts but we need everyones help. Here is the info to contact Bill Horns office. Please write, call or e-mail and let them know how you feel. Tell them to come down and see what Mother Earth is all about. Most of all tell your story about why you choose to use Cannibus. It is all our duity to protect the sick and dieing thats what makes us human.


Supervisor Bill Horn
1600 Pacific Highway, Room 335
San Diego, CA 92101

San Diego Office: 619-531-5555
Toll-Free: 1-800-852-7335

E-mail: bill.horn@sdcounty.ca.gov
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Comment #124 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:54 pm
If you're going to have a dispensary...be smart. DON'T do it within 1000 feet of a school. Get permits for any new construction (build outs inside a building). Look around you. Stay within the law...and it will work. Others are doing it all over California and it is working because they are respecting the other laws and ordinances. I know it's a pain in the butt, but anything worth having is also worth the work involved.
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Comment #125 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Look at the facts, according to World Almanacs,Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S.Surgeon General's Reports there were...(deaths)
340,000 to 450,00..........................Tobacco
150,000.........................................Alcohol
(Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders)

"LEGAL" Drug Overdose....................100,000+
(Deliberate or accidental from prescribed or over the counter medicines and/or in combination with alcohol-e.g. Valium/alcohol.)

Illicit Drug Overdose........................3,800 to5200
(Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs.

MARIJUANA.....................................00000000

100% of the studies done at dozens of American Universities and Research Facilities show pot toxicity DOES NOT EXIST!!!
Medical history does not record ANYONE dying from an overdose of marijuana.

So people should educate themselves before judging!!
Especially when Mother Earth is only trying to help in easing suffering of medical patients.
As a active member of this community I fully support Mother Earth, and if it's 900+ members says anything, I'm not the only one!!
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #126 | Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:47 pm
We asked were we should be in regard to zoning and they said V1, V2 and V3 and that's what we have. The first school is a home school that meets with students and parents once a month. The other school is a pre-school that i'm checking to see how far it really is away from us. I am sure its over 1000 feet. If there is a problem with pre-school students trying to come and buy cannibus, maybe this story should be about "drugs in pre-schools" or "Who is watching our children".
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Comment #127 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:32 am
to dad of lots 4: who said I disagreed? It's people that think like you that scare me and make me very glad that "mob" doesn't rule. You have no idea my opinion. That's one thing that is sound about being "ruled by law" rather than "ruled by mob"- emotions do not get in the way.
Robert Riedel- just to let you know, Iowa Street (the school across the street) used to be a school where parents only met with the teachers once a month, but now they have a new program this year where parents have the option of sending their child to school there 3 times per week.
Comment Profile Imagereal herbist
Comment #128 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:32 am
this SD county document steps all over our state constitution,sue the county, reopen in a new location with an original name and keep it quite, help your patients and stop with all the headlines.http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/cob/ordinances/ord10000.doc
Comment Profile Image4 what it's worth
Comment #129 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:33 am
Pink comment 105... you are right, it was a misnomer... should have read narrowmindedvill but that is all starting to change due to this article because slowly, ever so slowly fear and myth is giving way to factual information and common sense.

As to your statement, " there wouldn't be a problem either selling or buying "weed".
What planet do you live on little darlin ? There has never been much of a problem, especially since the late 60's. Before that you had to take a long, long ride down the 101 to TJ to score very low torque sugar weed, if you were a beatnik...

Like #90. GreatViews so rightly said... "Your mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open". (perfect) Thanks...
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #130 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:40 am
Mom of lots: This is more news about adding kids near us. The building department told us it was just a storage for the maintenance crew for the High School 2 miles away. There are many owners that would rent to us but the building department told us this location was the best for this type of business because of its location.

Your correct that I assumed your position on this. It's hard to from just a few words. I would really like to know your opinion on this because it seems like you are a caring and concerned person.

It's just hard to watch over 300 of our members with terminal diseases and so many members suffer everyday.

In this town there are Gun Stores, liquor stores, gas stations that sell beer and many of them are near our schools. They even sell ice cream to our children in some of these locations.

None of these business' are 21 and over just to get through the door. Anyone can walk in to them without a Doctor's recommendation. No one is allowed to do that at Mother Earth even if accompanied by parent or legal guardian.

I know I can walk to two locations from Mother Earth less then 1000 feet away and buy alcohol or maybe they were grandfathered in?
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #131 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:03 am
As a concerned citizen, I have done my part & wrote Supervisor Bill Horn & asked he contact you and/or your attorney to talk or visit the clinic. I begged he make a change for us. I hope he does visit you Mr,. Riedel.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #132 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Thank you! I hope it starts a trend.
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Comment #133 | Thursday, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Robert Riedel- my opinion regarding the legalization of drugs closely follows those opinions of Ron Paul, Texas congressman. I follow the belief that people should have free will as long as it is not harming others, putting others at risk or taking someone else's free will away. I also do not like government intrusion in areas that effect the aforementioned issues.
Comment Profile ImageKeep it going
Comment #134 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:48 am
Thank you for all the comments and concerns. It seems that this blog has died down. Everyone should be proud, we came in 3rd place. I know what you are thinking 3rd place, that is the 2nd place looser, we can do better than that. Well my friends, until next time...

Oh yea, one last thing...

Just becasue you are educated, does not mean you are smart,
Just because you are smart, does not mean you are educated.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #135 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:17 am
Thank you "Mom of lots". I do not believe in legalization except for medical use. I have read to many reports on the development of bad psychological effects with habitual use in developing children especially while going through puberty.

To me this is no different then Morphine or Valium becoming legal, just make no sense. Thats just my opinion!

Our fight is for the people suffering and have no were else to turn. I have been to many hospitals. One burn center I was at you could smell the cannabis in the halls. When I asked a doctor about it he had nothing to say and walked away like he was afraid but would not make any comments for or agents but would not make that choice for his patents it was up to them.

I think ever one knows that prop 215 was poorly written. I do to! It makes me wonder if that was the plan. It makes it possible for anyone to open no matter what their motives are.

Mother earth is member owned, I might be a founder and board member but I can be voted out and hopefully someone better will take over. This is the way it should be! I just haven't seen very many coops with the same mindset.

I wish people could easily see the difference between the free for all of "lets make it legal" and the medicinal side but we just get lumped together. It makes it very hard to convince people of the medicinal side.

Then I go to the Hemp expo where there were great speakers and great questions. On the other side of the room to me was a swap meet for stoner's! They even had a collective with girls in skimpy nurses outfits (only appropriate in a couples bedroom) promoting their collective. Its a joke and very easy for people to raise eyebrows; it made me.

So we keep going and fight for the suffering and dyeing. God helping the word will get out for them. All we want to do is provide "SAFE ACCESS" for our members in a discreet environment.
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Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #136 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:56 am
This is a quoit from another forum.

"San Diego sheriff's Lt. Phil Brust "I am leery of these establishments, even if their motives are good," Brust said. "I think people (some medical marijuana users) are getting carried away and it has become a free-for-all."---End Quote---

"I don't agree with the closure, but i agree with the statement above. Over 80 collectives have opened in San Diego since Jan. 2009 (inauguration). San Diego has multiple collectives run by a single person. Craigslist is just starting to filter itself. The Reader and Citybeat are full of adds covered in pot leaves. Don't even get me started on the co-op commercials during discovery channel and comedy central programming. It seems you have just paid the price for the rest of them pushing boundaries.
Comment Profile Imagereal patient
Comment #137 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:18 am
if you are truely for the patients you would not have entered this business on the backs of others hard work ,keep to your word help your patients stay out of the headlines and use an original name, stealing a name from a long exsisting sd collective was a mistake,choose an original name, open for your patients and stop with the trying to be famous crap and maybe your collective will survive
Comment Profile Imagemom of lots
Comment #138 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:37 am
Robert Reidel- I am completely against the use of marijuana for children. Alcohol is not legal for those in this state to use under the age of 21. As far as children having access to it, if they want it, they can get it. Morals, choices, virtue and habits cannot be legislated by government. On a personal level, I really do not want to see anyone smoking except those that have a medical need. However, my personal opinions and choices should not legislate other people's lives. The government can't protect people from themselves.
Comment Profile Imagereal patient
Comment #139 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:35 pm
21 and up was also a big mistake, it shows that you only care about making money and not helping sick people,the state of california medical marijuana identification card issued by the county of san diego,allows age 18 and up, any person under the age of 18 must have their parent or gaurdian sign the form,illness has no age boundry even the anti county of SD understands this ,why else would they give the card to anyone regardless of age ,the only reason this pot store was 21 and up is because they wanted to make money, avoid any legal charges to selling to persons under 21 ,probably instructed by their lawyer,if you are truely for helping sick people you would not have an age limit at your pot store,and help all people that are ill not just sick people yhay are over 21,over 21 suggests that it just for adult recreational use
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Comment Profile Imageconcerned fb resident
Comment #140 | Friday, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:18 pm
"drugs in preschools" what an alpha hotel! you need to recheck your entire organization,get someone that has a clue post for your collective you stick your foot in your mouth every time you speak
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Comment #141 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:03 am
We are currently searching out a great property for you..s t a y tuned.
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #142 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:50 pm
local_RE420Agent?? That's inspiring news? Is there any more information you can provide?
Comment Profile Imagebill
Comment #143 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Medical Marijuana, another way for people to get around the law. The reality is while it may help a small number of people with serious medical problems, 95 % will be people who don't have a serious need but conned a doctor into giving them permission so they can get stoned. Look at the Handicapped parking joke, 99% of those using it sure as heck are not in wheelchairs, and don't deserve special priviledges. We have enough drunks, morons and idiots as it is lets not add more stroners to the list. Dispense it only from Hospitals.
Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #144 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Dear Real Patient or (concerned fb resident), I don't see the logic in your comment that by precluding people between 18 and 21, Mother Earth "shows that you only care about making money and not helping sick people". I understand your concern for patients between the ages of 18 and 21 and the analogy of our government's drinking age restriction of 21, but you appear to be really upset about the use of their name Mother Earth's Alternative Healing Cooperative Inc.

Sounds like you operate a collective yourself and are the one concerned about making money.

If you are a resident of Fallbrook and a "Real Patient" truly concerned about helping sick people, you would spend your time in a more positive way than harping about the use of name Mother Earth in their Corporation. Read copyright law: Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases. In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks. Contact the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, 800-786-9199, for further information.
Comment Profile Imagereal patient
Comment #145 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:06 pm
typical for profit pot store answer,what if a 14 year old cancer patient with months to live asked you for help?,sorry not 21 get lost we are 21 and up
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #146 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Bill with your thinking does that mean we should get rid of handicap parking. I would really like to know your sources for these numbers.
Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #147 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:06 pm
To Bill (143),
Though you have valid point about the abuse of any system, Handicap spaces being one. Handicap spaces still help many many people, definitely more than 1% that you say are entitled. The "idiots,drunks and morons" are always going to abuse the system. Hospitals only dispense medication to their patients and if you are referring to limiting it to only those patients you would deny access to the thousands of sick people who reside at home. Do you think dispensing through Rite Aid would improve the situation? The true stoners you are referring to certainly have always had access to weed before dispensaries.
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Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #148 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:23 pm
To Real Patient, If I was a "store owner" (not) which you apparently are, I would adhere to the law. You apparently like this forum to discredit any positive feedback that does not fuel your wallet, including the suggestion that you will sell to 14 year old patients. Great way to promote the benefits of Medicinal Marijuana Law. We all know that there are patients of all ages who would benefit from its medicinal use. The great debate seems to stem from those who are astute enough to see the problems with how our state legislators have written the law. That includes all the many intellegent posts pro and against.

And you accuse others of putting their foot in their mouth every time they speak? Maybe you should take the time to read all the posts on this site and read those that have taken the time to voice their opinions for and against the issue.
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Comment #149 | Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Mom of lots doesn't want to see anyone smoking except those that have a medical need Possibly because to her it is an illicit drug, no different than all the rest.

Aside from the medical aspect, it's not for everyone. Some see a real benefit from it's use and some don't, that's just the way it is.

Those who have never used pot only have their imagination as to its effect so they should not vote for or against. Neither should those who tried it and didn't see any personal benefit from it's use or had a bad experience tell others they can't.

The way I figure it is this; We all came from the same place and we are all going back to that same place soon enough. There are many paths we can take from birth to death and it doesn't matter which path we take on that journey. A path with heart or a path with hate, a path of fortune and financial security or fame, it's all the same. Choose your path and allow everyone else to be free to choose their own. To each his own... we should all respect that.

DON'T LEGALIZE IT ... DON'T PENALIZE IT
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Comment #150 | Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:29 am
the county of san diego allows the state of california medical marijuana identification card to be issued to a 14 yo with a parent or gaurdian approval,why would you turn away a person with months to live because of age? and if I was a store owner like you claim I would help anyone with a recommendation from a doctor,perfectly legal as per the county of san diego,somehow you think your 21 and up makes you look more legtimate,you are not following county policy as far who is allowed access to MMJ ,next time you open a pot store on the backs of others hard work talk to people in the community first,just because you paid a lawyer that does not make it right
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Comment #151 | Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:29 am
tropicaltaco- you left out the important point I made...I may not want to see people smoking pot other than for medical reasons (which I have come up with this conclusion both by my own personal usage in the past and other people's usage in my life), but that is just a personal opinion- one you should not be bothered by....I consider other people's pot smoking to be none of my business, nor the govts.
Comment Profile Imagehmm
Comment #152 | Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:07 am
Re post 143;"Dispense it from a hospital" are you insane?
Comment Profile Imagemom of lots
Comment #153 | Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:44 pm
One thing I have not mentioned is that the place looked quite shady. My husband and I did not realize what your store was until this article was printed. It was a store that was obviously running and busy, but with no signs, nothing you would imagine that would be outside of a typical store. It looked as if something not right was going on inside, like some big secret.
Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #154 | Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:06 pm
To Hurting Parent,Fallbrook Resident or Real Patient, I am NOT even a member of ANY collective/coop anywhere. Get that straight please.

I personally have true compassion for patients of any age that are in need of medication. I am enough of a realist though to know that there are parents who would sign their approval for a 5 year old to buy crack. Many rental car companies won't even rent a car to someone under 25.

I have taken issue with your continuous references that Mother Earth has opened on the backs of the hard work of others because I think you sound like you have a personal agenda.

If you are a hurting parent that has had your child denied access to medication because of their age you have my profound apology and sympathy. It is a tragedy that has been caused by the actions and laws of our elected government.
Comment Profile ImageTropicaltaco
Comment #155 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:30 am
No one, especially a 14 year old has to personally go to a dispensary to get medical cannabis, and a minor should "not" go. Anyone can be anyone's provider, so mom, dad or uncle Billy, even me or my cousins uncle Erny can go to the dispensary or plant a few seeds in their back yard for the one in need, just fill out the paper work.

Mom of lots, what do you mean ? "the place looked quite shady".
Shady, as in not much light ? Or
Guys in trench coats and fedoras wearing shades skulking around ?

Can anyone tell me if it was one of those with a display of little containers of varied colored pot with exotic names, flavors and a high prices ? Hope not ...
And why does it have to be a store in town, in everybody's face ? If it is a collective of patients or co-op (lowest possible price) it should be delivered by the provider or show up at the warehouse on Thursdays like any other co-op. (I'm thinkin there's a career change on the horizon)
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #156 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:30 am
The reason we didn't have a sign or any other things like a store was for the privacy of our members.
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Comment #157 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:38 am
I am 72 years old, and have been going to my doctor for my illness for 3 years now. The first time I pulled up to Mother Earth's I was unsure as well, but as soon as I walked in all my worries were eased. The nicely decorated lobby made me feel as if I was in a regular doctor's office, with music, complimentary coffee, and water, and a variety of reading matreial. The entire staff is warm and friendly, and do nothing but make you feel completely comfortable. The thing that impressed me the most was the information they had relating specifically to my illness, I was recommended a certain marijuana to help me with exactly what I was in need of. I was absolutly amazed at the results! Mother Earth needs to reopen sa soon as possible! By the way, my DOCTOR recommended me to Mother Earth!
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #158 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:38 am
Robert, what is the current status of Mother Earth & is there any hope of it's returning or opening in a new location? Has it been deemed "Not Allowed" in Fallbrook because it is unincorporated?
Comment Profile Imagevery good friend
Comment #159 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I know Mother Earth's and I also know Bob Riedel extremely well. Mother Earth was unlike any other coop. It was a place of well-being and Bob made sure it was comforting to its members. Bob is one of the most caring and compassionate men I have ever known. He's very active in the community and a big activist for medical marijuana. Those who know nothing about Mother Earth's or Bob should really keep their comments to themselves.
Comment Profile ImageMedicinal Mom
Comment #160 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:35 pm
This article does not begin to paint an accurate picture of Mother Earth's Alternative Healing in Fallbrook. I've been a faithful member since the day that I walked in the door, and I will continue to be. I have been to several dispensaries, and this one was set up so professionally and it caters to holistic health as a whole. The environment is professional, friendly, safe, quiet & it is always run in such a strict manner. I appreciate that because it makes me feel like I am in doctor's office or pharmacy. I really appreciate that because it makes me feel safe & it really does create a better appearance in comparison to other places that I have been. I guess that explains why I am a faithful Mother Earth member and don't go anywhere else!

I'm a mother of two and college graduate. I'm not some young kid looking to get high. This is about a better quality of life. I go to Mother Earth's for MEDICATION. The staff at Mother Earth are a blessing that provide me with something that I need to function properly and accomplish basic day-to-day things like getting out of bed, taking a shower an keeping my food down. Before I started coming in for prescriptions, I had lost over 15% of my body weight, was taking over a dozen pills prescribed by my primary care doctor and so depressed that I spent more than half of my days in tears or locked away from my family and friends in my room. And now? Only a few months later? I take only 5 medications (none of which are for pain relief or depression), I cannot recall the last time I was honestly depressed and family time is a true joy.

I am VERY thankful for all of the workers and volunteers at Mother Earth in Fallbrook. They are so knowledgeable, and over the past several months they have given me such valuable guidance on which medications are best suited to my different medication conditions and ailments. I would be forever lost without them.

I am so sad to see all of the negative comments on here. No one at Mother Earth is selling to kids or illegal users. For goodness sake, they take extra measures that go beyond what the law says just because. What are me and other people like me going to do if they close down? I can't even drive. San Diego or far away places like that aren't an option for me and I trust Robert and his employees. I can't trust some kid off the street, and I'm too old and stupid to figure out how to buy drugs on the street anyway. Am I just supposed to go back to taking all of the other medications I was on before? They didn't even help as much as the medicinal cannabis does. Not to mention, medicinal cannabis doesn't harm my liver. Did I mention my liver is bad and that is one of more than a dozen reasons my doctor told me to resort to cannabis? This is just too sad to keep typing. Thank you Robert and everyone else at Mother Earth for all you have done & continue to do.
Comment Profile ImageYour Mom
Comment #161 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:11 pm
That sucks the man shut it down. Booooo! Figures in a town like Fallbrook, I knew it would only be a matter of time. Oh well people can keep getting it illegally. Why not give the money to Mexico's drug cartel?
Comment Profile ImageTropicaltaco
Comment #162 | Monday, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Thanks to comments 157 and 160 for your input...
Comment Profile ImageQuestion..
Comment #163 | Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:10 am
If it's not addictive, why do most ppl need to smoke it daily?.. sometimes 2x.. i don't get it - this is a way of life for you folks.
Comment Profile Imagemom of lots
Comment #164 | Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:11 am
tropicaltaco- when I said it looked "shady", I meant that it was an operable business with no identity. I remember twisting my head when passing always trying to figure out what the obviously operating business was. I had never seen an unidentified business my entire life until this one- just looked odd that's all.
Robert Reidel- thank you for letting me know why there was no sign posted as to your store's identity- that makes sense, although sometimes having no sign posted draws more attention because it is so out of the ordinary for an operating business.
Comment Profile ImageMedicinal Mom
Comment #165 | Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:01 am
Following another poster's lead, I also wrote to Supervisor Bill Horn & asked he contact you, Robert and/or your attorney to make a change for not only myself, but for the other sick members as well. Thank you for posting the information to contact him. I'm going to post it again & encourage everyone posting & reading on here to contact him.

We all need to help Robert make a real change. Everyone at Mother Earth needs our help right now, especially us members that are sick.

Supervisor Bill Horn
1600 Pacific Highway, Room 335
San Diego, CA 92101

San Diego Office: 619-531-5555
Toll-Free: 1-800-852-7335

E-mail: bill.horn@sdcounty.ca.gov

I wrote about my medical ailments & the amazing turnaround that I've had since being treated with medical cannabis. PLEASE write & share your story, or if you know someone being treated with this medication, please tell him about their story. Some of the members at Mother Earth aren't going to make it to write their own letters. You can be their advocates.
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #166 | Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:02 am
163...Question

Not all people use it in the same doses. Matter of fact, some people use it a lot more than two times a day, others, a lot less. It's not an addictive drug. Wish it could be so easy as to tell you to try it for yourself, but I fear you'll think you'll "Get Hooked". It's not the case, it is the least addictive substance I know of.

I still to this day want to take the vicadin I am prescribed to. Makes me feel real good too. Kills the pain too. Take it up to "three times" a day, 6 liver eroding pills every day.

It is not addictive. There's no way for me to prove it to your personally, but if you do some research online, you'll find no one being addicted to cannabis.

This plant is a blessing that's being chastised, when it should be loved for all of the things it can do for people throughout the entire world.

Wish people would just stop being so closed minded. What is everyone afraid of? It's a harmless plant.

I also would like to concur with 157 & 160 as well. It is a very comforting place. It is very well operated & laid out. Everyone is very professional & the knowledge base it out of this world.

I only met Robert one time, but he was caring & very professional. J, at the counter, tons of help, thank you as well.
Comment Profile ImageMedicinal Mom
Comment #167 | Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:02 am
It's not a "way of life" for "us" folks. This is a medication for us. I'm taking other medications that I pick up from CVS or the hospital, and no one questions me about addiction or even thinks twice about those medications that I take EVERY DAY (and some of them, multiple times), or even thinks to question about me being addicted to them. I just don't understand it. And, technically, I would think that I am actually addicted to those medications when you consider the fact that if I miss any doses that I risk going into convulsions (I have epilepsy), as well as other conditions that I will not bore everyone with. Should I stop taking these medications because I am addicted to them and I am taking them sometimes twice a day & it's now a "way of life" for me?

Perhaps I should be concerned & consider an intervention. I'll alert some friends.
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Comment #168 | Tuesday, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Proof of the benefit's.
This morning my wife got a call from her 58 yr old mother. Who has always viewed marijuana as being on the same level as cocaine and all other hard drug's. Very old school and stubbarn lady.
Well last year she shattered both wrist's. And needless to say has been in a lot of pain since.
2 month's ago I gave her some THC avocado healing cream. Her pain became so severe and exhausting in despair she gave in and tryd the cream. Her wrist felt better and the pain was completely gone. With much hesitation she called her daughter and explained she realized that all along she was wrong.
Thanks to bob and all the peep's at mother earth.
That little free sample helped a grandmother in pain.
Pain treatment should be between the doctor and the patient.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #169 | Wednesday, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:14 am
We are doing everything we can to reopen.

It breaks my heart to hear anyone suffer. People need to know your stories so please post them. We are fighting fear and the fear of the unknown. The more people hear you, the quicker fear will turn into compassion and understanding.

Call or write Bill Horn and let him know what your going through and the truth about of how its helped.

3 weeks ago UCSD released a statement and their findings that cannabis is the most effective medicine in the treatment of M.S. Then the next day our leaders stopped all funding for cannabis research in CA. It was $8,000,000.00 and they said "It's not in the budget". If helping our fellow man is not in the budget then what is? We need to get out of our little bubbles and let our voices be heard. We are "The People" and our leaders are people with compassion. They will here you!

If you want to learn, start with "The Union: The business Behind Getting High" Its on goggle video for free!


Her is Bill Horns info also.

Supervisor Bill Horn
1600 Pacific Highway, Room 335
San Diego, CA 92101

San Diego Office: 619-531-5555
Toll-Free: 1-800-852-7335

E-mail: bill.horn@sdcounty.ca.gov


Be heard!
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #170 | Wednesday, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:29 am
I wrote the Supervisor with an automated response. i understand he is a busy man, but this is where our society has been for too long. It's time something be done. Please everyone, send a note to the Supervisor, some voices make little difference, but many cause change.

Sad to see what is justified as "Not in the budget", when you have a program that spends $1.8 million in California for exotic pet diseases research?!

Because??? Exotic pets are far more important than humans?!?
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Comment #171 | Wednesday, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:14 am
I wrote to Bill Horn as well and received The same response. Does anyone know of a better way to get in contact with him?????? Mother Earth needs to be allowed to reopen already! Myself as well as many other ill members are in need of our Doctor Recomended Medication!!!!
Comment Profile ImageNicole
Comment #172 | Wednesday, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I think a key component here that a lot of people are missing, especially law enforcement, is that the people have already voted on this issue and the majority have decided that it is the right of a patient to use medicinal cannabis, if seen fit by their doctor for a true condition. Not everyone has to use this medication, or even agree with it, but that is not an adequate reason to deny others of its proven healing benefits. Mother Earth is only offering a service to members in true medical need. All members, including myself, are all adults. The COOP has provided me with education, books, lotions...I have gone in there before to purchase things that are not even related to cannabis and chat briefly about an alternative treatment to a cold or other illness. I have only been going up there for a few months (because I didn't know they were there until then) and a whole world opened up to me that does NOT include popping a pill every time something hurts. Also, something a lot of people would never know is that I pay for all this medicine myself. Before the government was paying for it because my husband had to stay home with me so much he couldnt work enough hours and we were on all kinds of programs for government benefits...insurance...food stamps...WIC...going to food banks. He always had to take care of me and the house. We are still in debt now but we are finally able to pay all of our own bills and our debt is going down. I'm cooking our dinners again and he helps me around the house but not because I cannot function at all. He works full days. I would like to think that these games could stop so that people like me, those of us that benefit from Mother Earth, can continue to reap the benefits of this medication. All we really desire is a chance at the closest thing to a normal life. For me, normal will never happen, but at least with cannabis, I come closer to it than I have since before all of my surgeries.
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Comment #173 | Thursday, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:24 pm
call mike turko of turko files-it aint right
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Comment #174 | Thursday, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:48 pm
I can't even begin to describe my dissapointment in the current events concerning MY co-operative. Current legislation reflects that of the will of the people. Fallbrook has declared clearly their appreciation in having an honest dispensary as opposed to the alternative. I have been a member since their opening and travel from oceanside for safe access. Should I call the skateboarder flipping a delivery sign? My world was numb for 4 years on myriad of anti-depresants for sleep aid and mood stabilizing; I was coping with the stress of my a life changing accident that almost left me a parapalegic. As a young adult I still knew that the regimine of 10 pills for pain, 2 pills for sleep, 3 pills for mood, 1 pill for digestion, would KILL ME. my mother turned me to her cannabis she used for sleep. the same mother encouraging me to do more with my life; with the therapeutic use of cannabis I got off of 2 of the strongest narcotics (opiate based (syn heroin)) the 2 anti-depresents and sleep aids and healed my stomach lining by ingesting or smoking less then 1 g a day. now I continue to smoke but far less often under 3g a week as needed; I am never too sick to work, too tired to play, too sore to take 2 pills and couch it. I am hurting no one by obtaining my prescription at Mother Earth; do any of you negative thinkers consider momentarily who you are hurting or consider who you are helping? does this help you or your children lead better purer lives or is this just an opinion that can potentially alter or change the lives of those in need?
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Comment #175 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:58 am
it wasn't untill 2 hours ago when I started reading this article and all the comments following it, that I had even heard of Mother Earth or anything relating to them. Now that i have read through each and every opinion on here, i am in complete disbelief! First of all, disbelief that so many people are and have benefited so greatly from medicinal marijuana! this doesnt sound "shady" or like people are "looking for a way to legally get stoned". From a complete outsider it looks like the people who are running Mother Earth are trying to HELP SICK PEOPLE.As I said, I had no idea how much marijuana as a medicine could change someone's life! It's Amazing! I am Even more so in disbelief at the negative feedback from the county and the few readers that chose to make thier ignorant opinions known. How could any one read some of the testimonies of how life changing this "shady looking building, whose walls are too tall" and the campassoinate "potheads" who run it have been to so many ill patients and thier families, yet still be rude, and,
i know i keep using this word, i just can't think of any other that is appropriate-IGNORANT to what is going on in our community. Whatever your opinions are, keep them to yourself. We don't want to hear it! I know your mother has said to you, "if you dont have something nice to say, dont say anything at all" -still applies..I had a brother die from an overdose of Vicadin, a prescription any doctor will write anybody for anything, Including children!- oh wait, but a doctor precribed it, so it's ok right? But back to the ignorant people again- guess what, a doctor is prescribing medicinal marijuana as a SAFER alternative to many of the prescription drugs people die from everyday. no one has died from marijuana.I was able to figure this out from a couple hours of reading. Why can't EVERYONE in the community support such a wonderful addition to Fallbrook. I hope with all my might that you at Mother Earth are allowed to open your doors again as soon as possible, so you can continue with all the wonderful ways you are changing peoples lives this town, and surrounding areas. and to anyone that thinks differently...obviously you are the minority here. one more thing, don't we live in a democracy? can someone please explain to me how that works again?
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Comment #176 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:18 am
I agree with all those who want and need "Mother Earth" to reopen. Thanks to the non-medical needy people for messing it up for us who do need it. It's to bad that the doctors cert. is so easy to make a copy of it and change the name on it etc. If one wants to clean up Fallbrook, get rid of the liqure stores and the many nasty tattue parlors.
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Comment #177 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:26 pm
I sent a letter certified mail to Bill Horn, he will have to sign for it, so I know he will get it.It cost me less than 5 dollars, but is worth way more than that!!!
Comment Profile ImageBon E D
Comment #178 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:26 pm
San diego county has an ordinance to ban pot stores, no matter what any of you say ,horn, jacobs, and slater price, will never allow marijuana sales in their county,let that be warning to anyone that thinks they can open a pot store without the proper permits
Comment Profile Imagekeep it going
Comment #179 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:46 pm
WE are now number 1. beating out such stories as : Vote ‘yes’ on Pr... and Increased Noise... We should all be proud, and to think that I thought we were done way back on post number #134. Though I do joke about this, there is at least some Dialogue on this matter and both points have been taken. I just hope that the sick get better and the people with closed minds open them up...

Stay class'y Fallbrook
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Comment #180 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Thank You #177,
Sending a registered letter to Bill Horn is the way to get his attention. Though it will probably be signed by his secretary (or ?). They will feel the obligation to put it on his desk or risk negligence at the very least. He will also realize that a voter that spends his money to send him a letter will be one that is active in the community and influence other votes. Please remember to have it sent Return Receipt Requested which will give you proof of who signed for it.

Our politicians have the audacity to use the taxpayer's money to fight against what we the majority voted for. They need to see we intend to hold them accountable for their actions.

It is a hassle to go the post office, wait in line and pay money to have your voice heard but it is the best way to make things happen.

The address again is:
Supervisor Bill Horn
1600 Pacific Highway, Room 335
San Diego, CA 92101
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Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #181 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:53 pm
To #163,
You bring up a valid point in your personal observation that you find "most people" seem addicted since they smoke at least 2x a day. I myself know people that smoke at least two times a day or more and not necessarily for valid medicinal reasons. I am sure you also know people who smoke more than two cigarettes, have more than two drinks etc.

Please know that there many people who need to smoke daily or occasionally for medicinal purposes. In my experience, the majority of people I know who smoke, do not smoke daily whether using medicinally or not. Please take the time to research the facts. You may only be observing the behavior of those around you who are obviously smoking daily. You might be surprised at the amount of people you know that smoke or use it medicinally (or otherwise) that do not use it daily in what you perceive to be an addictive manner.
Comment Profile ImageJarad Joseph
Comment #182 | Friday, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Drug stores can operate anywhere. They sell numerous drugs that are far more harmful to people than marijuana. -- Marijuana was insistently referred to me by several renowned doctors from USC Medical School. They were senior physicians who had seen years of beneficial effects of marijuana on their patients.

My wife's glucoma and my MS is eliminated almost immediately when we use this wonder drug.

Burst has a special interest in keeping marijuana illegal. His comments are not objective. He could lose his job if marijuana was legalized.
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Comment #183 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:33 am
people who call marijuana a gateway drug should realize when you buy pot from a dealer he also has crystal coke acid and so on . so don't be dumb shut the gateway with dispensary's
Comment Profile ImageJohn smarter than u
Comment #184 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:34 am
Thanks for shutting them down. Now the more you shut them down the black market price goes up. I understand that the cops and da's must do what they can to keep the black market alive. Me too we are always on the same side we just never tell "them".

Thanks guys

The checks will keep comming.
Comment Profile ImageCD
Comment #185 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:58 am
People, people, people !
Here's something for you all to think about...
The county DA and the board of supervisors are busy yanking medication away from terminally ill cancer patients while pedophiles rape, murder and bury our children in shallow graves near Lake Hodges.

Maybe the county should get it's priorities straight.
Comment Profile ImageKysmit
Comment #186 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm
@Local Teacher, please try to make some sense of this save the children brigade for me. I fail to understand why every time an adult objects to something, they label it "Harmful to Children". What about all the prescription drug commercials on television that continually bombard airspace on any given station ? Are we protecting them from those and their self professed serious side effects ? Add to that I'm fairly certain that this co-op wasn't blatantly advertising anything . My suggestion to you would be, educate yourself before you protest, or risk sounding foolish.
Certainly you have to acknowledge that Alcohol Prohibition manifested in serious criminal results . Believing that prohibition applied to Marijuana would result differently is just insanity. Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them has a lot of truth in it. That Al Capone and his like have been replaced by drug cartels is simple logic. Legalize & regulate marijuana = cartels out of business + tax $ that could certainly help to rescue this country's failed economy without fattening corporate coffers. To be a responsible adult is to think like one 1st. Know of what you speak before you speak !
Was pleased to hear that enforcement was not brought in and that this may be solved amicably.
Comment Profile ImageRich Hertz
Comment #187 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Just more crap from San Diego county law enforcement!

Why do we continue to quote the cops because they are professional liars, and they apparently cannot do their job well enough to keep it, so they make up stories about law-abiding citizens to bust them and add to the county's felony quota. The DA's office and the Sheriffs are corrupt, and they are lying to us about this. Deliberately attacking sick people is sadistic, and the cops take pride in doing so.

The real shame is that people actually go along with what the cops say. Stop believing their lies!
Comment Profile ImageJames S
Comment #188 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:01 pm
We need safe access in all cities.
Please stop attacking legal collectives.
We want to stop illegal marijuana not stop safe access.
Please follow the will of the voters not the will of special interest.
Comment Profile ImageDean Becker
Comment #189 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm
There are very few, if any public policies that are more preposterous than the laws against the use of cannabis.

Please check out our radio show on Sunday evening at 6:30 CENTRAL time; our guests will include Nurse Mary Lynn Mathre and Al Byrne of Patients out of time discussing the use of medical cannabis in ht US.

Tune to http://www.kpft.org for the Cultural Baggage program, to be followed by the Century of Lies program at 7 PM featuring Vanda Felbab-Brown of the Brookings institute, author of "Shooting Up - Counterinsurgency and the War on Drugs".

Hundreds of such programs are available at http://www.drugtruth.net

Fear is what gives the drug war life!
Comment Profile ImageLaura Palfrey Murphy
Comment #190 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Our turn is coming. All incumbents will be voted out next cycle since the people's will is not being represented. From D.C. all the way to Fallbrook. Can you feel the wave?

We can.
Comment Profile ImagePessimistic
Comment #191 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Sad how this atricle has generated more discussion then any other on this site (ranks #1 on most discussed).

Even sadder that Ray (the real one)'s controversial (in his mind's eye) arrest has dropped to #14, soon to disappear from our midst and into the abyss. Ray (the real one) is an Brooktown icon, even if he has moved to the greener pastures of unknown lands with less Brown Pride.
Comment Profile ImageTerrie Best
Comment #192 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Be the Change!
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Comment #193 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:31 pm
The "war on drugs" should be stopped- it costs too much money and doesn't keep anyone from using them. Cannabis should be legalized for at home adult users.
Comment Profile ImageEric
Comment #194 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Great instead of supporting local small business which follows the law and only sells to patients we make mexican cartells rich who dont only sell marijuana to our children but an assortment of other hard drugs they have on hand. because if medical patients get off the street who do you think gets the money. dont be supprised when the tj killings start happening in front of your house.
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #195 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:31 pm
VICTORY! CBS Will Accept NORML Marijuana Legalization Ad

I’ve got big news!

You and more than 8000 others sent letters to CBS protesting the company’s decision to reject a marijuana legalization ad produced by NORML for a Times Square billboard, and we just heard that CBS has reversed its decision and will accept the ad!

I got the news yesterday from a senior CBS official and I think this is a great example of how we can take action online and get real-world results. So thank you to everyone who sent a letter and helped spread the word. You can read the update on our blog here: http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/view/cbs_reverses_decision_agrees_to_run_pro-marijuana_ad

I hope you will consider starting your own petitions here at Change.org as you find issues where you’d like to have an impact. Anyone can start a petition in just couple of minutes and you can learn how here: http://www.change.org/petition

Once again, thank you for taking action and helping to hold CBS accountable.

Robin Beck

Organizing Director

Change.org
Comment Profile Imageanon
Comment #196 | Saturday, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Eric you couldn't say it any better.
Comment Profile ImageGreen
Comment #197 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:39 am
Hey Bill , Where did you get those figures ? (95% abuse) What study was that , please share. Have these medical patients hurt you in some way directly ? If not , keep your make believe statistics to yourself , you sound like fox news (crybaby) .

Example : 100% of all people against medical marijuana usage are complete morons.

Even though the above statement is most likely true , it is my opinion. To put a percentage on it makes it sound official. Fox news likes this tactic , but it stale and not fooling anyone Bill.
Comment Profile ImagePessimistic
Comment #198 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Actually, I'm for REAL medical marijuana use. But this half-assed propostion has made a mockery of the whole idea. Pothead Punks in their late teens and twenties are getting these official 'recommendations' for $50 - $100 by sleezeball "medical doctors" for fabricated "head aches, insomnia or my back hurts" complaints, just to circumvent the otherwise illegality of it. What a joke...
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Comment Profile ImagePessimistic
Comment #199 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Example : 100% of all people for medical marijuana usage are complete morons.

Even though the above statement is most likely true , it is my opinion. To put a percentage on it makes it sound official. MSNBC news likes this tactic , but it stale and not fooling anyone Green.

That was easy...
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Comment #200 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:35 pm
I'm very pleased to see the collective closed down. The entrepreneurs who were trying to run drugs legally really should have taken the proper time to make sure everything was in order. Because of their haste, lack of proper judgment, and inability to do something by the book even during a time when MJ is legal in this state is embarrasing. I tip my hat to enforcement; at least these guys know how to do their jobs correctly.
Comment Profile ImageMichael Wink
Comment #201 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:35 pm
I am so very tired of BIBLE BULLIES who need to have their Puritanical rules ENFORCED ON US ALL.
If you do not like something... don't get it! But leave me and the will of the people from the great state of California, alone.
Stop Marshing my Mellow.

I can not buy chocolate without it telling me the healthy antioxidants within the coco. Darker the better, right? Tea and coffee now tout their heart healthy benefits, Larry King shouts the value of grape juice for our hearts... and yet marijuana is listed in the same category as Meth? What? When I can go into any store and get a carton of cigarettes and a 12 pack of beer... the minority of voters want to keep medical marijuana matched up with Heroin and Meth..
Comment Profile ImageUse your brain
Comment #202 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:08 pm
To jp, Did you bother to read the article in the Village News at the top of this blog and the qoutes from the law enforcement you "tip your hat" to?
Your should probably also read the "book" you refer to find where it says Marijuana is legal in this state. How many businesses do you know of have been shut down by a minor Building Dept violation.

For you to say this collective was "trying to run drugs" is what is "embarassing."
Comment Profile Image4 what it's worth
Comment #203 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Thank you mom of lots #193 and comment 201 right on ...
Comment Profile Imagejust visiting
Comment #204 | Sunday, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Fallbrook is a nice town and you have a great little news paper. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the many comments for this article both pro and con and am moved to make a comment of my own.
I was a little surprised by the overwhelming amount of folks in favor of marijuana use, that in itself is very encouraging
Comment 74 made a keen observation and I got a good laugh from comment #79’s last sentence.
Thanks to #88, bringing light to the power play by the few in high places, it reminds me of something we all need to dwell on and remember from time to time…. This town, this county, country and the world, for that matter, is not his or hers or theirs.., It’s Ours … It’s Ours…
Hempopotamus comment 96/95 that was classic, I will forward it to a friend or two.
I must say comment # 101 nailed it and supplied some much needed information for those that dont know what the heck they are doing. Those with real health issues should read it again, there may be a possible solution to be found there, organic gardening help for best possible herb as well as diet which is important, especially if you are battling disease.

Due to the fact that chemical drugs are hard on my liver I have been using medical marijuana along with other herbs like Mullen and lobelia off and on almost 15 years for COPD (a nice way of saying emphysema)
I have been to more than a few dispensaries and was very disappointed, not only in their high prices but also in the way they did business, these bad apples are the reason for the moratoriums. This whole thing should not be about business and money just like our health care should not be about the middlemen making profits... so I chose to grow my own, not just because I am a penny pincher on a low budget but equally important, I want to know how it was grown, under what conditions and with what inputs like fertilizer etc. and yes you can over do it with organic fertilizers too. I have never liked hydroponics, artificial lighting, genetic modification and clones of any kind, plant or animal, I know from experience how important what he or she is talking about in comment 101.

Beyond the many medicinal uses of cannabis, one of the great things about this herb is that a very small amount will kick open the doors of perception which can lead to deep thoughts, ideas, solutions, meditation, prayer, creative thinking, inventing, writing, artistic endeavors of all kinds, playing music or just listening to music. I certainly don't want to waste that hour or two worrying about what chemicals Im putting into my system… Think about it, most of us are sick because we are subjected to petrochemicals and toxins in our environment. Why needlessly take in any more ?

I truly feel that once a person reaches 65 they should be able to partake of this harmless herb weather they are sick or not … if they so choose.
Every person should be able to live their life the way they want if it is not harming themselves or others, especially during their last years on this earth.

From the many comments I have read here recommending Mother Earth it would seem they are quite a humanitarian endeavor with 1000 happy members. I must say though, from what I have heard from friends who've been there, the $ 400 + cost of their main product really makes me wonder. Shouldn't a collective or co-op mean lowest possible price ? I don't need to grow more than one plant a year, total cost ... zip
Comment Profile ImageANON
Comment #205 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:24 am
to 101 yeah just throw a couple of seeds and youll be set yeah right don't you think its less hastle to go to a dispensary then instead of growing your own and having to worry about a lot of things I hate when people say just grow your own.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #206 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:24 am
I cannot defend the prices. We did charge $360 for 28 grams. The cannabis that we receive from members still reflect the price of the black market. This too will change. When grown in a commercial setting, it can be grown for $400 for 448 grams. The problem is under state law we can grow 6 plants per member but if we exceed 99 plants we open the door to Federal involvement. So we are left with doing the best we can.

So we offer free growing classes, free cooking classes. In some cases, we use the money we receive, to pay for the cannabis our members can't afford because of their circumstances due to illness. We have a massage therapist we give a room to so she has no overhead and can give very low prices to our members. We also keep our lawyer James Warner on retainer for all of our members so he can help them understand the laws and be able to get their questions answered. Any money we receive above this will go to Fallbrook and Bonsall non-profits.

I am the president I make $3500 a month. Our CFO, and our Secretary, make $3000. We are just board members and if the members of Mother Earth feel that someone is not doing their job, they can be removed by our members and replaced by whom ever they vote in. This is the way a coop should be run. Mother Earth is not owned by 1 person or a small group of people. It belongs to all of its members, all 1,000.
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Comment #207 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:22 am
when is the next vote?I want a chance at your 3500 a month,how much do you pay for the meds you use?,I bet you don't pay 360 an ounce,you say you pay black market and charge black market,some compassion,run it like a true collective get the cost of meds to a reasonable level,drop the 10,000 grand a month in salary get some volunteers,no wonder you chagre so much for the meds
Comment Profile Imagepatient for 5 years
Comment #208 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Obviously you are not a member or you would know that the majority of people working at Mother Earth are volunteers. I have been to numerous collectives and paid $80 or more for what I got for just 50 at Mother Earth.
Comment Profile Image4 what it's worth
Comment #209 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:03 pm
205. ANON says : don't you think its less hastle to go to a dispensary then instead of growing your own and having to worry about a lot of things..

I agree with you 205 but there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. Much, if not all of the stress involved would be eliminated if the illegality was truly removed, you could actually call the cops if somebody tries to rip you off. Wouldn't that be great ? Also if everyone who wanted to grow could there would be no rip-offs, no drug dealers, no mafiocos, no corporate jails making money hand over fist from our taxes being used to house nonviolent pot smokers ... the list goes on..

Armageddon is at hand, check into to a Civil Law (Codex Alimentarius) regulation. It all sounds really great, gonna protect us all from the many snake oil salesman, phony wonder drugs, cure alls and bad vitamin and herbal products out there.
Dig deep my brothers, because behind it all, after all is said and done, the multinational drug companies and corporations will be the holding all the marbles, the only ones who will be able to sell you vitamins and herbs, you won't even be able to grow them.

insider info:

“Hundreds of thousands of messages poured into the Senate opposing Senator
McCain’s bill, the bill that would have wiped out current legislative
protections for dietary supplements. which would of course effect medical mar-i-juana
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Comment Profile Image4 what it's worth
Comment #210 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Here is something we should all consider, no matter which side of the fence we're on with this issue,
it is one of the main ways we are and have been manipulated..

It is called the Problem Reaction Solution Paradigm (The Hegelian Dialectic)

Problem---------Reaction------------Solution
Thesis-----------Antithesis-----------Synthesis

Problem (terrorist) Reaction (fear) Solution
(what ever the oligarchs want )
OR
Problem:
a. Facilities which dispense marijuana have proven to have serious harmful effects on the neighborhoods in which they are located, to owners of property in such neighborhoods, and to citizens living, visiting, shopping, conducting business or otherwise present in the area. Such effects are due to such factors as the illegal nature of the activity, the presence of large quantities of marijuana at the dispensaries, the presence of large amounts of cash, the presence of weapons, and other factors. Harmful effects at the dispensaries and the surrounding areas have included an increase in burglaries, robberies, illegal sales of drugs, use or possession of marijuana by unauthorized persons, attacks on persons entering or leaving the premises, loitering, smoking marijuana in public places, and driving while under the influence of marijuana.

Reaction: Oh my!!! what ever will we do???

Solution:
e. The establishment of marijuana dispensaries, and the continued approval of "development applications" (as defined in Section 2) for their establishment, would result in a "current and immediate threat" (give me a break to the public health, safety and welfare, because they may result in the effects identified in paragraph a above within the unincorporated area of the County of San Diego, and because they may frustrate the accomplishment of the goals of the regulations which the Board of Supervisors will consider adopting. It is therefore necessary to adopt this ordinance to prohibit their establishment.
Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #211 | Monday, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Dear Concerned Member #207,
Maybe you did not have a chance to read Mr. Reidel's post #206 just ahead of your's. It will explain some of your questions. Are you offering to be one of the volunteers or are you suggesting you wish to submit a resume for his job?
I have a couple of questions:
1)Are you a "concerned member" of Mother Earth or?
2) Do you have at least 70 hours per week of your time available?
3) Have you been convicted of a felony? (You can't be involved if you do)
4) Are you willing to have all your personal property be confiscated by Law Enforcement at any time?
5) How much personal financing can you offer the coop if it does not meet its expenses.
6) Are you credit worth to sign a lease?

I won't go any further into the necessary qualifications needed to be considered because you will have to ask the real members. Do you really insinuate that Mr. Reidel is running Mother Earth to get his medicine cheap?
Comment Profile ImageLet us be sane
Comment #212 | Tuesday, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:48 am
Try not to judge. A store or Cooperative that is helping others with a legalized drug hurts no one.... unless the government or other busybody has to get involved. Why can't we just all get along? This medication helps in so many ways and is really no ones business except for a personal choice for whom one decides it is a medication that works for them. Please, let us be passionate for one another and be open to others needs that may not be that of our own.
Comment Profile Image4real
Comment #213 | Tuesday, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:34 am
As a member of Mother Earth, I feel it important to inform y'all that in the 6 months we have been open compensation only commenced in January. Bob and his wife who have invested their whole lives in this cause, have been payed once. I would hope this cooperative could at least sponser their medication.
Comment Profile ImageGet real
Comment #214 | Tuesday, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm
If Bob is not sellin his own gear, he's whipping a dead horse and not doing right by his members. If he "is", at those prices he is doing a whole lot better than anyone here wants to admit AND so what if he is, more power to him... but please drop the saint Mother Earth BS... please, it is piling up to where I can't get round in here...

$360 to $400 per oz X 1000 members every few months... well you do the math and be sure to factor in how many ounces each patient uses ... (and I think that is for phony growlight crap that produces mature bud every two weeks) Get real ...Get unadulterated, natural Herb

In the end, it is up to the members /clients to decide what is best for them.

Oh yeah... the people who make these laws don't know sh.. They say you can have up to 6 plants at one time yet you can only have 8 ounces of dried product in your possession at any given time...is that right? Well the establishment ought to smoke a fatty and or lighten up enough to ask someone who knows...
6 phonys = a heck of a lot more than 8 oz's and the real (Natural full term is over 10 times that...
Comment Profile ImageUse Your Brain
Comment #215 | Tuesday, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:42 pm
To Let Us be Sane....Beautiful summary of the essence of many informative and controversial posts.
To Get Real, Any growlight system out there that produces mature bud in two weeks must be crap (if it exists). If anyone could do that properly he would be a "Saint." I bet you make your collective many wonderful donations based on the amount of "unadulterated natural full term" you can produce.
Keep up the good work. Peace
Comment Profile ImageGet real
Comment #216 | Wednesday, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:15 am
to use your Brain, thanks for catching that, meant to say months not weeks ...

If I could I would...
Comment Profile ImageVoter
Comment #217 | Thursday, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:58 am
If only closed minds came with closed mouths...
Comment Profile ImageJess
Comment #218 | Thursday, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:03 pm
cant you potheads get your own state or something? i dont care if people smoke i just dont want it around me. do it in your own house on your own time
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #219 | Friday, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:25 am
218...Jess, your just the type of person post 217 Voter is talking about.

By the way, for the record. I don't care if you care if I smoke either.

I do partake in my own home on my own time. If I did it at a friends, would you be upset with me?

Also, if you look at the majority, most people in California are okay with the use of marijuana as a whole, so it seems we "Do" have our own state.

Maybe you can find one for yourself, maybe the "Closed-Minded State", or "Idiot Nation"?

Not too bright Jess...
Comment Profile ImageRobert RIedel
Comment #220 | Friday, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:58 am
New on FOX NEWS


If the idea of having a marijuana deficiency sounds laughable to you, a growing body of science points at exactly such a possibility. Scientists have known that the active psychoactive compound in marijuana is THC, which is short for tetrahydrocannabinol.

In August 1990, researchers reported in the journal Nature the discovery of receptors in the brain that specifically accommodate the cannabinoids in pot. Cannabinoids bind to particular neurological sites in the brain, as though the brain was specifically designed to utilize this plant. Did nature toss cannabinoid receptors into the brain by random chance? Are cannabinoid receptors part of an intelligent design for deriving maximum benefit from cannabis? Is cannabis a divine elixir of sacred communion for which we are ideally suited? Actually, a more sober answer seems likely. When there are receptors in the brain for a particular type of compound, that compound is made in the brain. This is true of many important agents that work to transmit brain messages of all types. So a hunt began to find such a compound.

In that vein, in 1992 researchers in Israel isolated the cannabinoid anandamide in the human brain. Unlike THC, anandamide is manufactured in the brain, and is therefore an endogenous cannabinoid. This agent, anandamide, is the compound that attaches to the built-in cannabinoid receptors in our brains. The name anandamide is based on the Sanskrit word ananda, which means bliss. Anandamide is a bliss molcule, enhancing greater well being and emotional satisfaction.

Ever since the pioneering work of Dr. William O’Shaughnessy on cannabis and pain compiled in the 1840’s a growing body of science has shown that cannabis offers relief for various types of pain. In the brain, the endogenous agent anandamide also plays a role in mitigating inflammation and pain. So both cannabinoids from inside and outside the body play a role in pain reduction. More recent studies show pain relief among sufferers of multiple sclerosis when cannabis is consumed.

Anandamide also plays a role in proper appetite, feelings of pleasure and well-being, and memory. Interestingly, cannabis also affects these same functions. Cannabis has been used successfully to treat migraine, fibromyalgia, irritable bowel syndrome and glaucoma. So here is the seventy-four thousand dollar question. Does cannabis simply relieve these diseases to varying degrees, or is cannabis actually a medical replacement in cases of deficient anandamide?

At least one author, medical doctor Ethan Russo, believes in the possibility of endocanabinoid deficiency, and suggests that such a deficiency might actually be a significant cause of the types of health problems listed above. His paper “Clinical Cannabinoid Deficiency,” published in Neuroendocrinology Letters in 2004, delved deeply into the various ways that cannabinoids function in the body, and how a deficiency in cannabinoids can lead to a broad range of diseases. Since the publication of that paper, a number of studies have further confirmed the effectiveness of cannabis for many health disorders.

The idea of clinical cannabinoid deficiency opens the door to cannabis consumption as an effective medical approach to relief of various types of pain, restoration of appetite in cases in which appetite is compromised, improved visual health in cases of glaucoma, and improved sense of well being among patients suffering from a broad variety of mood disorders. As state and local laws mutate and change in favor of greater tolerance, perhaps cannabis will find it’s proper place in the home medicine chest.

Chris Kilham is a medicine hunter who researches natural remedies all over the world, from the Amazon to Siberia. He teaches ethnobotany courses at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, where he is Explorer In Residence. Chris advises herbal, cosmetic and pharmaceutical companies and is a regular guest on radio and TV programs worldwide. His field research is largely sponsored by Naturex of Avignon, France. Read more at www.MedicineHunter.com
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Comment #221 | Friday, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Nice piece of research work Robert and thanks for bringing it to everyones attention, hard to believe it came from Fox.

Hopefully it will help chip away at preconceived ideas, false information and outright propaganda that is still so prevalent in American society. These same agencies of propaganda bombard us on a daily basis with mental missiles of psychological warfare which also promote these current aggressive and senseless wars for the worlds ultra rich in search of more and more power, at our and the worlds expense.

So are we to find out some day that people like Jess and the few others are actually suffering from a deficiency of that which they are so fervently against ? Nah, I rather think it's as someone else stated here, "It's not for everyone, live and let live"

Hopefully this all will someday lead to lifting the ban on Magic mushrooms and other psychotropic plants like Peyote, which is one of the heaviest blood purifiers known to man and as such another valuable medicine.
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Comment #222 | Friday, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:50 pm
The irony to me is, in our history we've seen alcohol banned at a time of the Great Depression and the economy needed it.
We have military penalized for adultery on Camp Pendleton even now yet the voice of 'the people' are against Prop 8 which still we keep paying for with tax dollars because Joe wants to marry Jerry and that too will probably be in our life time here in CA. Why not just accept marijuana publicly? Look at the 60's how it brought so much peace and harmony and anarchy. "Sodomy
laws" are still governing other Countries, maybe not 'ours'. So we may just have to see this unveiling of a billion dollar industry with media grassroots
'Save our State and Nation' thru afterall, there's a huge
place for people in power to profit and benefit from the stimulus
it will create in our indebteness. Wowl I would just like to know if Obama is really reading "The Post American World" by Fareed Zakaria. If so, I already think why have any rules?
We are so in trouble! Bring back the leaders who got out of bed everyday on their knees and help our generation not end up in the toilet. We need the Law and we need Compassion, because I still want the yellow line to always be in the middle of the road so do you.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #223 | Friday, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:48 pm
This is a post from the Fox blog.

Comment by LJ Skallerup
March 12th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
“Cannabis hemp is the strongest, most durable, longest-lasting natural fiber on the planet, and its leaves and flower tops were the first, second or third most important and used medicines by two-thirds of the world’s people for at least 3,000 years, until the turn of the century”! …Great wars were fought to insure the availability of hemp, for example, one of the primary reasons for the war of 1812 that America fought with Great Britain was over “Russian” cannabis hemp. The hemp seed(which is technically a fruit) is the second most “complete” (has the 8 essential amino acids) vegetable protein source on our planet! Only soybeans have a bit more protein. However, hemp seed is many times cheaper and can be grown w/o pesticides and herbisides and it’s protein potential can be utilized better than soybean by the human body. In fact, the hemp seed is the highest in enzymes and overall amino acids of any food on the planet, including soybeans. Hemp seeds can be made to taste like chicken, steak,etc. in a tofu type curd, at only 10 to 20% of the cost of soybeans!. These facts were taken from the book by Jack Herer called ” Everything You Should Have Learned About Marijuana But Weren’t Taught In School” or “The Emperor Wears no Clothes”..you can look him up on you tube. Also there is a U.S. government film called “Hemp for Victory” that you should watch on You tube also. Educate yourself about this miraculous God given gift!
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Comment #224 | Saturday, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:31 am
fallbrook pot store reopens thank you no more driving for weed fix
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #225 | Monday, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:31 am
What?!?! #224? For Real?
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #226 | Monday, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:36 am
By William M. Welchand Donna Leinwand, USA TODAY

LOS ANGELES — James Gray once saw himself as a drug warrior, a former federal prosecutor and county judge who sent people to prison for dealing pot and other drug offenses. Gradually, though, he became convinced that the ban on marijuana was making it more accessible to young people, not less.
"I ask kids all the time, and they'll tell you it is easier to get marijuana than a six-pack of beer because that is controlled by the government," he said, noting that drug dealers don't ask for IDs or honor minimum age requirements.
So Gray — who spent two decades as a superior court judge in Orange County, Calif., and once ran for Congress as a Republican— switched sides in the war on drugs, becoming an advocate for legalizing marijuana.
"Let's face reality," he says. "Taxing and regulating marijuana will make it less available to children than it is today."
Gray is part of a growing national movement to rethink pot laws. From California, where lawmakers may outright legalize marijuana, to New Jersey, which implemented a medical use law Jan. 19, states are taking unprecedented steps to loosen marijuana restrictions. Advocates of legalizing marijuana say generational, political and cultural shifts have taken the USA to a unique moment in its history of drug prohibition that could topple 40 years of tough restrictions on both medicinal and recreational marijuana use.
A Gallup Poll last October found 44% favor making marijuana legal, an eight-point jump since the question was asked in 2005. An ABC News-Washington Post poll in January found 81% favor making marijuana legal for medical use.
Attorney General Eric Holder last fall announced that raiding medical marijuana facilities would be the lowest priority for U.S. law enforcement agents — a major shift that is spurring many states to re-examine their policies. The American Medical Association recommended in November that Congress reclassify marijuana as a drug with possible medicinal benefit.
At least 14 states this year — some deeply conservative and Republican-leaning, such as Kansas — will consider legalizing pot for medical purposes or lessening the penalties for possessing small amounts for personal use. Fourteen other states and the District of Columbia already have liberalized their marijuana laws.
"We are absolutely in an important new era in which increasing majorities of Americans are not just questioning the wisdom and efficacy of marijuana prohibition but are demanding alternatives," says Stephen Gutwillig, California director for the Drug Policy Alliance, which favors legalizing marijuana.
Kurt Gardinier, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, which promotes marijuana for medical use, calls Holder's shift "one of the most significant changes in federal drug policy in the last 30 years. It puts states at ease that they won't be in conflict with the federal government."
The Obama administration still opposes smoking marijuana for its medicinal benefit, says Tom McLellan, deputy director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy. He says more research is needed to deliver the medically useful ingredients in a non-smokable form.
"We have the safest medications in the world and it's not a coincidence. We have an enviable process by which we approve medications, and that's through the (Food and Drug Administration)," he says. "It's a bad idea to approve medication by popular vote."
Yet even a few prominent opponents admit it's getting harder for them to persuade lawmakers to continue tough restrictions on marijuana, though they vow to continue fighting against legalization and warn of dire long-term consequences.
"The momentum is not with us, and we understand that," says Michael Carroll, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police and the police chief of West Goshen Township in Chester County, Pa.
The 20,000-member police chiefs association opposes legalizing medical marijuana and decreasing penalties for possession because it fears abusers will cause drugged-driving accidents and other societal and health problems that come with drug abuse. The National Institute on Drug Abuse says marijuana can cause heart irregularities, lung problems and addiction.
"We're going to multiply the problems we have with alcohol abuse," Carroll says. "Things are not going our way, but that's not stopping us for speaking out about it."
Among the states considering marijuana bills this year:
• Alabama, Delaware, New York, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, are debating allowing medicinal use of marijuana for people with certain illnesses;
• Hawaii and Rhode Island, are considering bills to reduce the penalties for marijuana possession to fines rather than jail time;
• Vermont is weighing whether to allow state-licensed liquor stores to sell medical marijuana.
California leads the way
California became the first state to allow marijuana for medical use when voters approved a statewide ballot issue in 1996, and its provisions are so broad that tens of thousands of people have obtained a doctor's recommendation to use marijuana for ailments from cancer to arthritis.
Now California's Legislature is considering a bill that would make it the first state to legalize marijuana for recreational use as well. It is unlikely to pass this year, but Gray and other advocates hope to have a proposition on the November ballot that would legalize marijuana use for anyone 21 or older. California would levy taxes that the state tax board says could raise $1.3 billion or more a year for the deficit-plagued state, while saving tens of millions in prison and law-enforcement costs. Sponsors of the ballot issue have turned in 690,161 signatures on petitions for verification, far more than the 433,971 valid signatures required to get on the ballot.
A 2009 statewide Field Poll found 56% support pot making pot legal for recreational use and taxing it.
The economics argument may be the clincher, proponents hope. They call the proposition a matter of "tax and regulate" rather than "legalize," saying state control will take marijuana out of criminals' hands while generating badly needed revenue.
"It's history repeating itself, with (the) alcohol prohibition repeal during the Great Depression," says Richard Lee, an Oakland marijuana entrepreneur and president of Oaksterdam University, which trains people to work in the medical marijuana industry. Lee, who is pushing the ballot issue, says, "Now we have the Great Recession. That will be on people's minds."
Yet as changing attitudes and economic forces propel the legal pot movement in California, some wrinkles have emerged as the medical marijuana industry expands. After some complaints from neighbors, municipalities and prosecutors are moving to regulate the industry more closely to limit the growth of pot dispensaries and prevent sales for recreational use.
Prosecutors in Los Angeles and San Diego contend that while the law allows marijuana for medical uses, it does not specifically permit the sale of marijuana. They have launched a series of raids aimed at closing some of the hundreds of medical marijuana dispensaries now operating out of storefronts.
"I call it the slippery slope," says Dennis Zine, an Los Angeles city councilman. "Now we have it for medical purposes. Now let's expand it to anyone who wants to get high? I don't support that. ... Do we then legalize cocaine, legalize heroin?"
Tehama County, Calif., Sheriff Clay Parker said the state's current medical marijuana law is filled with gray areas that make enforcement uneven and difficult. He says he opposes further relaxation of state laws but would welcome a federal change that would drop marijuana's status as a Schedule 1 controlled substance, the most tightly restricted, to a lower level that would place marijuana in a category with prescription drugs that pharmacies could dispense.
Gray, who retired as a judge in 2009, says many judges agree with him that sending marijuana users to jail places a costly burden on the state and clogs the justice system, ultimately taking police and court resources from pursuing violent criminals. Most judges, he says, fear saying so.
"Probably half of my colleagues talk privately the same way I do, but publicly they're concerned about standing out," he says.
Jeff Studdard, 46, is another one-time drug warrior who has changed his thinking. A former school police officer and Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy, Studdard tried marijuana to ease pain and restore his appetite after a broken back forced him out of law enforcement. "I have stopped all my (other) pain meds now and I've gained weight. It's almost like a wonder drug," he says.
Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, a Democrat from San Francisco who introduced the tax and regulate bill, predicts California eventually will legalize marijuana and other states will follow.
"It's inevitable that there will be some kind of legalization of recreational marijuana," Ammiano says. "How and where it's going to happen I think is an open question, but I think a lot sooner than later."
Support not politically risky
Despite growing popular acceptance of marijuana, battles are still fought in state legislatures when such bills are introduced, and many of the bills still fail. Yet advocates say politicians are more willing to take on what only a few years ago was a politically risky cause.
"Politicians are finally catching up with the American public," Gardinier says.
Most of the changes have come on the West Coast and Northeast, but lawmakers in a few Southern and Central states also are proposing bills, in part because they see marijuana as a potential money-maker, says Gutwillig of the Drug Policy Alliance.
Rhode Island is among the states considering legislation that would regulate and tax marijuana or reduce penalties for personal use to a misdemeanor and fine.
Rhode Island's Legislature adopted medical marijuana last year, setting up dispensaries and a registration system. A decriminalization bill introduced in the 75-member House has 35 co-signers, including three of the six Republican lawmakers.
Sen. Joshua Miller, a Democrat from Cranston, R.I., leads a Senate commission that is studying whether to drop tough penalties for marijuana use. He says statewide polls show 80% of Rhode Islanders favor decriminalization. Rhode Island borders Massachusetts, which decriminalized marijuana last year. The debate, he says, has been framed by the state's poor financial condition.
"We'd rather spend our resources on violent crime," he says. "I'd also argue that the best way to get to people who abuse drugs is treatment over incarceration."
That argument is being reinforced at the federal level by President Obama's drug czar Gil Kerlikowske, a former Seattle police chief who favors a treatment-driven approach to drug abuse.
Even in conservative Kansas, where the Legislature recently voted to outlaw a synthetic drug that mimics marijuana, backers of looser marijuana laws say they have hope.
Rep. Gail Finney, a first-term Democrat, has proposed legalizing marijuana for use by the critically ill. The bill is unlikely to pass this year, Finney says, but she wants to use the hearings to educate fellow lawmakers and plans to reintroduce it until it passes.
"It's time for Kansas to have an open, honest debate about this," she says.
She thinks many of her House colleagues would support the bill if they didn't fear backlash in an election year — a fear she says is unfounded. A Feb. 2 poll of 500 Kansans by KWCH-TV in Wichita found 58% supported medical marijuana.
"If they were in touch and in tune with their constituents," Finney says, "they would know that this is what they want."
Leinwand reported from Washington.
Comment Profile ImageClose minded people OPEN YOU EYES
Comment #227 | Wednesday, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:54 pm
So ridiculous..... to all you "against" medical mj, what about alcohol? I know this has been brought up countless times in this post but seriously! Alcohol is so much worse! Stories like grandmas getting relief is what its all about, thats why its there guys!? Why so much hating I just dont get it....... none of it matters anyways considering its going to be legal soon :)
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #228 | Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:09 am
227, it's getting closer & we are going to vote in November, but that vote is just another notch in the belt. It's still gonna be a while before government & people open their eyes to the wonder of this plant. If you've read through some of Rob's posts, you'll see the tremendous value of the hemp. Government is making money through insurance propaganda, taxing smokers & drinkers...ridiculous gas prices, etc.

As you mentioned in your post "Open your eyes", because until people do learn the truth about this plant, a vote to allow growing this plant for all these wonderful things will never happen. People need to know how many trees can be saved just from hemp paper! And it's BETTER!

Prohibition, heh, it's just politics! Billions could be made. All our farmers wasting land on crappy corn for ethanol fuel could be making hemp & hemp fuel. Yes, hemp fuel, c'mon everyone, read, learn, understand. Open your mind, be one of the people who actually makes a change for the good.

Save trees, cloth people, curve black market drugs & government spending, create jobs, all of this and more if you just "Read", then you'll know. Then you'll want to help. Just read, learn, make smart choices. This is a natural plant, it was put here on our earth for a reason.

There's scientific proof that THC connects with the human brain. Cannabinoid neural transmitters. Just for THC. Why were we made with these little transmitters that are wired directly to THC? Why do we have hearts? Livers? There's a reason for all of it I believe, now it's time everyone does.
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #229 | Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:50 am
The establishment never reacts well to changes in the status quo. It puts a lot of effort into maintaining it. Opposition is met with propaganda to maintain public support. Now after decades of great resistance and perhaps the most intensive long-term propaganda campaign ever, tolerance and acceptance will come slowly.

It helps that many of those who do not use marijuana can also see that prohibition for marijuana, just as was once for alcohol, is a costly failure that can not be continued. They can easily imagine one of their own family being charged with possession and facing a record that would forever impact their success in life.

But then neither can we continue the same black market infrastructure of production and distribution. We have created a legal system of production and distribution that will preclude those criminal elements. We should support legal business rather than close it down. Then we gain tax revenues and save the costs of enforcement, prosecution, and imprisonment of legal and productive citizens.

For to where must the citizen patient turn when those who are trying to be legal are targeted specifically because they stick out by having legal storefronts, and legal greenhouses where they do not try to hide because the law should be protecting them, not arresting them or closing them down. It's no wonder that there's a surge in marijuana traffic at the border after local collectives are busted.

Over half of Americans have used marijuana. Many others may at some time need it for an illness. Over half of the drug arrests are for marijuana. So everyone loves someone who is at legal risk. Shall we convict them all, those we love? A conviction can ruin a perfectly good life, and that's a tragedy.

But the legal resistance can be influenced. We must be faithful to our liberties and always fight if we find ourselves charged with a cannabis related crime. We must never take a plea bargain and always make them fight us in court for every single arrest. And whenever possible, sue them back! Get your property back, make them pay your court costs.

The establishment may not change their minds, but they will change their actions when they spend millions to lose every fight, and every appeal finds in more detailed favor for the cannabis community. They will not much longer be able to say that this or that is a gray area, because all their arrests will lead to court cases and appeals that will clear it all up, and not in favor of going back to prohibition.

And the day will eventually arrive when marijuana is normal and mostly ignored. When no one in the industry could imagine being arrested for it. Then after all the fight and sacrifice is done, that is when the big pharma and agra corporations will move in and they will set the rules in stone. Even so, I'd love to get a job in the industry now. I wish I knew someone.

Anecdotally on the gateway theory, I have noticed that a large percentage of marijuana users who I know are also opposed to other drugs, both illegal and prescription. In fact, they are generally more self- and health-conscious than the average.

A smoker, a drinker, a marijuana user, and a tea-totaler met for dinner. And three said of the fourth, "There's something wrong with that guy." We all have vices and ways to vent the stress that life brings. Should we fill the prisons with one and not another? Then who would be left but the weird guy? I don't like his eyes...

;-]
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #230 | Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:11 am
Wonderfully put to words Chris. Are you running for election soon, because we need smart, forward thinking people in the system. You got my vote! :-)
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Comment #231 | Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:23 pm
thank you for standing up to our rights to marijuana mmj has returned to fallbrook
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #232 | Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Haha, Independent, I'd love to help fix the system. Will you be the campaign fund raiser? I'm ready... can a non-lawyer run for Dumanis' job?
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #233 | Saturday, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:18 am
We'll wing it Chris, I see the potential for an in-hostile takeover. Just need more people like Robert, You & I.

I think people really do like to hear true facts instead of the political BS we get crammed down our gullets everyday.

We need someone in office that isn't afraid of progression. There's enough recession in our lives as it is {Both Physically & Mentally As You Can See From Some Of The Posts On Here}.
Comment Profile Imageconcerned citizen
Comment #234 | Monday, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:17 pm
cease and desist ignored by this pot store they reopened in violation of county ordinance 10.000, if you visit this place you could get caught up in a raid
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #235 | Tuesday, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:36 am
Where do you get your info "Concerned Citizen"? If we reopened its news to me.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #236 | Tuesday, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:06 pm
I have a question for Robert Riedel;
Can you tell me the provenance of your product?
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #237 | Tuesday, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:14 pm
From our members. I would say within a 20 mile radius of us, hence the free growing classes.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #238 | Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:47 pm
So it is my understanding that all of your product is locally(Within 20 miles) grown.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #239 | Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Correct
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #240 | Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:16 pm
I'm only 3 miles away. Cooperative.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #241 | Wednesday, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:02 pm
I hope you don't mind the questions, but I am trying to form an opinion.
How would you describe the overall demeanor of your members(Sad/happy, hostile/friendly healthy/unhealthy)?
Are there any downsides to using marijuana(If you know?) Thanks for the time.
Comment Profile Imagejas
Comment #242 | Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:10 am
Its official.... legalizing Marijuana for recreational use will be on the ballots in November
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #243 | Thursday, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:55 pm
By your non-response, I guess I will have to form my opinion by default.
As it seems that "recreational" use will be on the ballot in November, I guess the fig leaf of "medicinal" won't even be needed any more.
Congratulations!
I guess, we'll see in November.
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Comment #244 | Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:34 am
I say " goverment make it all legal!!" now check out the article in the press enterprize riverside calif..March 25 2010, page A5 title "POT GROWERS FEAR LEGALIZATION!" NOW PAY ATTENTION GOVERNMENT!! Here is the chance of a life time to create a job market, employment, reduce your billion dollar budget, create a new tax, licences, etc etc etc it is endless here..COme on BIG BROTHER the Mexican got there money look at them from an economic stand piont $$$ Down side of "MJ" who cares life is a total downside from the day you are born "WE LIVE TO DIE!" Now how much more of downside is that...life is nothing but a big cancer it what you do with it to the end! enough soap box..LEGALIZATION everybody get a "CUT" $$$ LMA OFF :)
Comment Profile ImageChris
Comment #245 | Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:34 am
George, there is great need for medical access to cannabis. And there are also many people who feel that it should be simply legal in all cases. There is no conflict here. Some people need it, and others just want it. That's one more and better reason against prohibition than alcohol had.

The only downside to using cannabis is the same as that for a TV and a couch. Misuse would be to sit there forever and waste your life. But once you get up and go, it's barely a speed-bump to a motivated person. I can own a couch without abusing it, and so too for cannabis.

As for forming your opinion by default because you did not get a reply fast enough, I would point out that there are many sources of good information about the subject and there is no reason to rely only on this one page. Do not put the responsibility for guiding your opinion solely upon this.

Besides, I don't know what the demeanor of their members has to do with it. Are you going to have a better opinion of cannabis if those patients are nice people? I don't think you are informing any new opinions. I think that you already have what you want. And I think that this issue will progress along as it will with or without you.

Besides, it doesn't matter what happens in November. As long as the people who need it medically can get it, then the rest can take time. No one ever hurt or died from lack of proper recreation.

;-]
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #246 | Friday, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:38 am
I’m not sure how you want me to answer this, so I will do the best I can. The best words I could use are desperate, nervous and inquisitive. Many of our members have never used cannabis. They have a lot of questions about how it works and the different types there are and their benefits for their specific illness.

Down sides; I have read a couple studies about habitual use in the pubescent years. They all lead to the same conclusions. It can cause symptoms similar to schizophrenia. Also people can use it for an escape.

As far as just pure legalization, I don’t agree. I am a user of cannabis for medical reasons. I compare it to the legalization of any prescription drug; there should be a doctor involved. I do not oppose it because who am I! People have the right to vote and choose for themselves.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #247 | Saturday, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Thank you again for your response.
My question regarding the demeanor of your clients, was in relation to the wording of Prop 215. To paraphrase "To ensure that Seriously Ill Californians have access----"
From most of the comments that I have read in previous posts, it wouldn't seem that that was the primary motivation of the majority of users.
I must say that I AM surprised that you don't favor "pure" legalization . It would seem that "recreational" use would be "pure" legalization. No?
As an older person(I do suffer from arthritis) and I probably could benefit from marijuana use, but again from reading a majority of the posts here, I am inclined to think that the goal of "getting high" is the primary motivation of most of your supporters. If that is in fact the case than what is the demarcation line between marijuana and cocaine or opium, both of which certainly are helpful in the control of pain.
Anyway, thank you again for your responses, they have been reasoned and rational, unlike some of the rest. Best George
Comment Profile Image4 what it's worth
Comment #248 | Sunday, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:39 am
George ... You are confusing getting high with getting out of it... Opium has side effects and is addictive.
Only a fool would use cocaine in this day and age. 30 some odd years ago the CIA / DEA took away ether, derived from the distillation of ethyl alcohol, the only pure chemical to extract the coca paste to produce quality Cocaine. Since then a list of not so good chemicals like acetone were used and until now the only thing left is gasoline which leaves a product laden with benzine ... one of the most cancer causing agents known to man. So much for the war on drugs... and don't let anyone tell you it is ok to use it if you let it dry out ... Horse poop.

studies about habitual use in the pubescent years. They all lead to the same conclusions. It can cause symptoms similar to schizophrenia. ??? please supply link
Comment Profile ImageBarbara
Comment #249 | Sunday, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Are pharmacies allowed to operate near schools? Much more dangerous stuff for sale there. I wish my mom had had this when she was dying of pancreatic cancer, it might have helped her quality of life. She ate next to nothing for two months, couldn't hold down food. People need to wake up to how they've been brainwashed. Comparing this to a meth dispensary? That's just ignorance talking. Do some research, grow some compassion.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #250 | Sunday, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Marijuana (Cannabis) Use Triples Schizophrenia Risk

Read more... Schizophrenia Causes, Risk Factors & Prevention
BBC News reports that Award-winning researchers have claimed that smoking cannabis triples the risk of getting schizophrenia.

Scientists from Cardiff University studied the life patterns of 50,000 people who carried out national service in Sweden over a 27-year period.

The study found that people who had used cannabis more than 50 times before the age of 18 were three times more likely to develop schizophrenia.

The team has won an award from health charity BUPA Foundation, for its work.

Project leader Stanley Zammit, a clinical lecturer in psychological medicine at the University, said the findings could be "hugely important" for public health.


In Australia, the Prime Minister is calling for more work to protect younger people from the harms that marijuana is causing:

"JOHN Howard has called for a crackdown on cannabis use, saying marijuana is linked to mental illness, and warning that decriminalisation has gone too far.

"Far from embracing further decriminalisation, authorities should be examining going in the opposite direction," he said.

"There is a higher rate of drug use among people experiencing mental health problems. When it comes to cannabis, the time has arrived for us -- legislators and parents -- to get tougher."

The Prime Minister said that while there was some debate about the specific relationship between drug use and mental illness, there was a consensus that people with drug problems had an increased risk of mental health problems.

"There is mounting evidence of the strong link between cannabis and mental illness," he said. "Cannabis use has been linked to health problems, with fears it can exacerbate psychotic illness and symptoms of schizophrenia, as well as mood swings, panic attacks, delusions, hallucinations and paranoid thinking."

Souce: The Australian

More information on schizophrenia and Marijuana / Cannabis
Comment Profile ImageBarbara
Comment #251 | Sunday, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Robert Reidel, one does not "get" schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is genetic in origin, it's something one is born with that remains latent until some stress, usually in young adulthood, increases the symptoms. Same with bi-polar disorder, and many other mental illnesses. Isn't it entirely possible that mentally ill people are more likely to have used cannabis not because it caused their illness but because they were already ill and making an effort to ease their own distress? Did the studies you cite take that into account? A lot of schizophrenics also have religious delusions. Does that make religion a cause of mental illness?
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #252 | Sunday, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Mr. Riedel, you surprise me yet again. For you to post the BBC article,indicates to me that you are in fact an intellectually honest man(something increasing difficult to find).
So, if I understand, you are in total opposition to underage use of marijuana?
If that is the case, and you agree that it should only be available to those who are truly suffering from a malady that might mitigating by the use of marijuana, I just may have to stand with you.
To Barbara; I think you are misunderstanding causation and correlation.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #253 | Sunday, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Because of the lack of funds allocated for MMJ research there isn't enough info out there to fight this one for me. When it comes to our developing children I will be an ultra conservative.

"Cannabis use has been linked to health problems, with fears it can exacerbate psychotic illness and symptoms of schizophrenia, as well as mood swings, panic attacks, delusions, hallucinations and paranoid thinking."

This quote isn't saying it created the illness but it made it worse. This is just on of the many reasons a Doctor should be involved with the use of this medication.
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #254 | Monday, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:57 am
George, if I may? I'm almost 42 years old. In my younger years I experienced different "Substances". I was never fond of cannabis because I preferred the "Up", rather than the "Down". To answer your question in regards to the differences it is very simple. Cannabis is not an addictive drug. Cocaine, Heroine & Opium are "Extremely" addictive & are fatality drugs. They kill. Pure & simple.

I had a very bad accident in January of 2009. I was eating pharmaceuticals in high numbers until September of 2009 when I finally took a friends advise & saw a doctor about medical marijuana. Since then, I have cut my pharmaceutical intake down to nearly nothing. I use it in very small doses. I struggle with my pain throughout the workday as I do not use it while I work. In the evenings however, when the long day and hard work has put a toll on my body it is absolutely the best medication in the world to stop the pain & aids extremely well in allowing me to get 4 to 6 hours of sleep at night.

Some may use cannabis as a recreational drug, some don't. The fact of the matter is that however it is used, it is not a dangerous drug. It is a flower put on this earth with direct connections to the human brain that is a very effective pain reliever.

The entire plant, from its stalk to the tips of it's leaves can be used in one way or another {All of which are beneficial}. It is in fact, at least in my own personal opinion, the most under rated plant on earth.

I don't care if people use it recreationally, as I don't care if people use alcohol recreationally. Difference is, alcohol kills & rots the body, cannabis doesn't.

The legal age of 21 submits that people are adults & can make wise & sound choices. It is up to the people to "Consume" wisely, be it whatever substance they choose to use. Be Well.

P.S. Hurry Back Robert {Mother Earth}
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #255 | Monday, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:55 am
Here is one more report:

Cannabis / Marijuana (and other street drugs) Have Been Linked to Significant Increases in a Person's Risk for Schizophrenia

Use of street drugs (especially marijuana/hash/cannabis) has been linked with significantly increased probability of developing schizophrenia. This link has been documented in over 30 different scientific studies (studies done mostly in the UK, Australia and Sweden) over the past 20 years. In one example, a study interviewed 50,000 members of the Swedish Army about their drug consumption and followed up with them later in life. Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuana / cannabis use during teen years.
Many of these research studies indicate that the risk is higher when the drugs are used by people under the age of 21, a time when the human brain is developing rapidly and is particularly vulnerable.
People with any biological predisposition towards schizophrenia are at the highest risk -- unfortunately it’s impossible to accurately identify this predisposition beforehand (a family history of mental illness is just one indicator of such a predisposition). [see causes and prevention of schizophrenia for more information on all risk factors linked to a person developing schizophrenia]
Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia. Other research has backed this up, showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to 700 percent for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). Additionally, the younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does develop it. Research by psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of cannabis being a factor in up to 80 percent of schizophrenia cases.
Professor Robin Murray (London Institute of Psychiatry) has recently (2005) completed a 15-year study of more than 750 adolescents in conjunction with colleagues at King's College London and the University of Otago in New Zealand.
Overall people were 4.5 times more likely to be schizophrenic at 26 if they were regular cannabis smokers at 15, compared to 1.65 times for those who did not report regular use until age 18.
Many researchers now believe that using the drug while the brain is still developing boosts levels of the chemical dopamine in the brain, which can directly lead to schizophrenia.
Professor John Henry, clinical toxicologist at Imperial College London said research has shown that people with a certain genetic makeup who use the drug face a ten times (1000%) higher risk of schizophrenia. (For example - if your risk of schizophrenia was 6% (due to a family history of mental illness) prior to taking cannabis, it could be 60% -- or more likely than not - after taking cannabis). Every person is different (i.e. has different genes and different environments) - so this "10 Times Higher Risk with cannabis use"- is just a generalization, and it may or may not apply to a given person.

The increased risk applies to people who inherit variants of a gene named COMT and who smoked cannabis as teenagers. About a quarter of the population has this genetic make-up and up to 15 per cent of the group is likely to develop psychotic conditions if exposed to the drug early in life. Neither the drug nor the gene raises the risk of psychosis by itself.
A recent Dutch study showed that teenagers who indulge in cannabis as few as five times in their life significantly increase their risk of psychotic symptoms.
The increase in evidence during the past decade could be tied to the increased potency of marijuana. A review by the British Lung Association says that the cannabis available on the streets today is 15 times more powerful than the joints being smoked three decades ago.
Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a genetic predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable.
Melbourne University's Professor David Castle stated in a February, 2005 interview that heavy drug use during formative times of life, such as the years at school, could affect the way a teenager or young adult thought, impairing cognitive ability and having a long-term impact on job prospects. Victorian studies had revealed that regular use of cannabis by adolescent girls could trigger long-term depression. And for those vulnerable to a psychotic disorder, even a small amount of cannabis could pose a threat.
Professor Castle, author of the book Marijuana and Madness, has said that those people with this "psychotic proneness" were those who had a family history of mental illness or who had had a bad response on their first use of cannabis or to a tiny amount. Others at risk included those who had experienced a psychotic episode where they had paranoid thinking or heard a voice calling their name. Professor Castle said experiencing such a one-off episode was far more common than people thought.
"People with such vulnerability should avoid cannabis like the plague," he said.
Without the effects of the drug, such a person might live their whole life without ever experiencing mental health problems. It has been estimated, for example, that between 8% and 13% of people that have schizophrenia today would never have developed the illness without exposure to cannabis.
Professor Castle compared the effect to feeding sweets to a diabetic. While high sugar content foods did not cause too many problems for most people in the short term, they could be catastrophic for diabetics.
He said there was an accumulative effect when it came to cannabis use and schizophrenia. Those who used the drug more than once a week were more prone to needing hospitalization and often suffered other associated problems such as the breakdown of relations with their family, isolation, crime and violence.
* Cannabis impacts on neurotransmitters that regulate how arousal and stress are managed in the brain. Cannabis takes a long time to metabolize, and can quickly build up to high levels in the body. Once you get to this point, there is a real risk of depression or schizophrenia being triggered.
* A Swedish study of 50,000 military conscripts found heavy use of cannabis increased the risk of suicide by four times (400%). A Victorian study of 2332 adolescents found weekly use increased the risk of suicide attempts among females by five times. Weekly use as a teenager doubled the risk of depression and anxiety. Daily use at the age of 20 boosted the risk of depression and anxiety by five times (500%).
Helpful Actions: If you want to avoid getting schizophrenia - research suggests that the number one thing you should avoid are street drugs (especially marijuana/cannabis - but because you never know what someone has put into a street drug, all of them are dangerous). By avoiding use of all street drugs research suggests that you can greatly reduce the chance (by as much as 50% to 80% if you are biologically predisposed) that you'll develop schizophrenia. Avoiding marijuana after developing schizophrenia also helps reduce relapse rates. Some people with schizophrenia suggest that it makes them feel better, but if depression is an issue we recommend these people talk to their Psych-Doc about possible anti-depressant use rather than street drugs.
Do not use even small amounts of cannabis if you have any family history of mental illness, have had an episode of paranoid thinking or hearing voices or had a bad response when first using cannabis or when using a small amount.
Other street drugs are also very dangerous - partly because they are produced in home laboratories with virtually any possible combination of additional substances mixed in with the drugs.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #256 | Monday, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:37 am
Independent: I really don't wish to be drawn into a disagreement as to whether there are any dangers in the use of marijuana. What I will say is my concern lays in what you and number of the other posters seem to be in favor of a laissez faire attitude toward the use of a substance, contrary to your opinion ,does have negative consequences on our society. The same way that alcohol does.
Comment Profile ImageBuBBleboy
Comment #257 | Monday, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm
While I do agree with the studies intentions I really have a hard time understanding how this can support any fight against the medical community. Children are constantly prescribed mind altering and/or addictive drugs for many things such as mood disorders showing very mixed results that have complicated short and long term effects. I experienced a regiment of 5 prescriptions (that cannabis now replaces) at one time. I also was switched irrationally from medication to medication after they produced horrible side effects and psychological issues that could have caused long term damage. I wasn’t informed on the use of cannabis for medical purposes until I was almost 19, after a 6 month battle in a prescription less limbo. Many members in my immediate and extended family face problems with short and long term side effects to medications from doctors as well. Although I don’t think that any drug should be recommended to children until long term studies have been conducted, I often wonder how much different my life would have been if the use of edible cannabis was prescribed to me from the start as an adolescent instead. I have many friends and family member’s who suffer similar issues as I did, and it is hard for me to watch them struggle because of the stereotypes and the social conflicts associated with cannabis.
When respectable individuals use their abilities to provide safety, regulation, and integrity to not only their patients, but the community as Mr. Riedel did it is hard to understand how anyone can have ill wishes. Despite your personal views on cannabis its medical use is undeniable for some. When it is sold on the streets it’s no doubt that cannabis runs a high risk of being unsafe, unregulated, and not wise to consume for medical use. By driving the medical community down harder it is more of a struggle for those who need their medicine to obtain the quality they deserve. I am a broke student who is forced to drive over 100 miles round trip to find the medicines I need to insure my safety. So to those who intentionally make it hard for sick people to obtain their medicine, you also promote the same negative effects that an unregulated black market perpetuates.
Comment Profile Imagein the know
Comment #258 | Monday, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:52 pm
DECRIMINALIZE Spend more money on education in our schools not on arresting peaceful pot smokers. Especially sick smokers. Go arrest the real bad guys.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #259 | Monday, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Mr. Riedel,
Now for the hardest question: Giving what you have told me, I can assume that you will stand in opposition to the legalization of marijuana use for "recreational" uses?
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #260 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:03 am
George... Does an illegal substance cost the United States more money to occupy than legal substances? Does the Black Market not kill people? Does the incarceration of 1000's of people a year cost you money? Tax money? Would you rather it make the States money, rather than costing us money? I'm sorry, but I see far more of an upside than a downside. I had no intentions of creating a disagreement, I'm simply adding "My Two Cents".
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #261 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:44 am
REGION: Draft pot dispensary ordinance too restrictive, advocates say
Sheriff's Department would have access to patient lists, other records

StoryDiscussionBy EDWARD SIFUENTES - esifuentes@nctimes.com | Posted: March 29, 2010 10:30 pm | (3) Comments | Print

Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font sizeProposed new rules would make it tough to open medical marijuana dispensaries anywhere in unincorporated San Diego County, advocates for cannabis-using patients said.

Under a proposed county ordinance released for public review earlier this month, medical marijuana dispensaries, or collectives, would be prohibited within 1,000 feet of residential parcels, schools, playgrounds, parks, churches, recreational centers and other marijuana dispensaries.

That rule would eliminate all but a few areas in the unincorporated areas of the county, according to county documents.

"It is, effectively, a ban," said Eugene Davidovich, a medical marijuana advocate and spokesman for San Diego Americans for Safe Access.

The proposed ordinance also includes other requirements that advocates say would violate patient privacy rules, such as giving law enforcement officers access to patient lists and security video tapes.

People have until Friday to comment on the draft ordinance. The county planning commission has scheduled a tentative hearing for May 14.

Among other things, the ordinance would require that:

-- transactions be "fully visible from the public street";

-- video cameras be installed;

-- video recordings be accessible to law enforcement;

-- transaction records and membership records be kept;

-- transaction, membership and other records be made available for inspection by the Sheriff's Department.

Those regulations are aimed at making sure the collectives comply with state law, said Joe Farace, a county planning manager in charge of formulating the draft ordinance.

The ordinance was drafted within the planning department with recommendations from the Sheriff's Department and the county's attorney, Farace said.

The proposed ordinance would also ban advertising or signs in front of the establishments, require shatter-resistant glass, sprinkler systems and a uniformed security guard.

No one under age 18 would be allowed into the establishments without a parent, doctor or guardian, and business hours would be restricted to between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., according to the draft ordinance.

Last year, the county Board of Supervisors implemented a moratorium on medical marijuana collectives while administrators developed an ordinance to regulate pot providers.

For several years, the Board of Supervisors fought the state's 1996 medical marijuana law.

The supervisors unsuccessfully challenged the law all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which declined to hear an appeal.

After hitting a legal dead end, the board agreed to start implementing the state's medical marijuana ID program and began writing the ordinance to regulate marijuana collectives.

Some medical marijuana advocates said they would prefer that the county put its health department ---- not the sheriff's department ---- in charge of overseeing the establishments.

"It's bad enough having an agency accessing information about patients, but to have that information accessible to law enforcement is extremely problematic," said Kris Hermes, a spokesman for Americans for Safe Access, a medical marijuana advocacy group in Oakland.

In recent years, authorities have shut down numerous dispensaries, including 14 in September.

Authorities said the dispensaries did not comply with state law and served as little more than fronts for illegal drug sales.

Local medical marijuana advocates said the raids show county authorities have little interest in regulating the establishments and are focused only on shutting them down.

However, one former dispensary owner called it a sign of progress that the county is drafting an ordinance.

Bob Riedel's Mother Earth Alternative Healing Cooperative Inc., a medical marijuana dispensary in Fallbrook, was shuttered Feb. 5 because it didn't have a permit to operate in San Diego County.

"Overall, I think it's a step in the right direction," Riedel said.


The document is available at www.sdcounty.ca.gov/dplu/docs/POD_09-007_Medical_Marijuana.pdf.

Call staff writer Edward Sifuentes at 760-740-3511.
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Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #262 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:44 am
Thats a tough one....... I will not oppose it. This is my choice not to agree just like I am against abortion. People have the right to choose for themselves.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #263 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:26 am
Sorry, Now you've lost me.
I don't think that it is in our societies interest, to have "the right to choose" to be "stoned". The same way I don't think that it is our interest to have people drunk. The loss of productivity, the increase in traffic deaths, and I must say, from reading some of these posts, the inability to string together two thoughts together logically, give me pause.
Again, let me say that you HAVE made a strong case for the compassionate use of marijuana,
and I think that in my judgment, although Prop 215 is a very poorly written law, perhaps it is
a step in the right direction.
Personally, I think that if you were to rethink your position vis-a-vis "recreational" use, you would be in a much better position to argue the merits of "medicinal" use, for which you are a very effective spokesman.
Thank you again for all the information, and helping me to form my opinion. Best George.
Comment Profile ImageRbert Riedel
Comment #264 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:07 pm
As history has shown, prohibition has always failed. The first story of its failure was Adam and Eve, two people that were given everything they could ever want or need. The only law was that the “tree of knowledge” was forbidden. This too failed. This needs to be kept out of our children’s hands and education needs to be a main focus. Human nature is to respond poorly to the word “NO”. History has shown us that. Now we are left with a double edged sword.
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #265 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Two points:
1.Prohibition doesn't always work. So because we have a prohibition against homicide, and yet people still kill people, should we get rid of any laws outlawing murder? Same Logic
2. There HAVE been examples of drugs being banned and governments successfully enforcing
their prohibition. China had a huge problem with opium addiction. While in our liberal western democracy, we might not agree with their methods, to posit that prohibition "always" fails is historically incorrect.
I believe that we are going to have to agree to disagree on the issue of "recreational drug use",
but I have enjoyed the discussion. Best George
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #266 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:29 pm
An act against someone is out of context, we are talking about personal choices and freedoms. We as a society should always protect those from harm.
Our forefathers developed a government based on the will of the majority, “We the People”. In many ways, not just cannabis laws, we have voted in laws and they have been fought by our politicians. I don’t know what their motives are. Maybe they think they know what is best for us and their opinion matters most. To be frank, we did not vote them in for their opinions. We voted them in to keep us informed and act in accordance of the majority of the will of the people.

This question gets me. How is it possible we can stop an envelope of anthrax from coming into the US, but we are unable to stop millions of tons of Coke, Heroin and other drugs from coming into this country every year?

You seem like a great guy.Thanks for the chat. Bob
Comment Profile ImageGeorge
Comment #267 | Tuesday, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Don't want to beat a dead horse, but I feel I must correct you on your statements "Our Forefathers developed a government based on the will of the majority" and "We voted them in to keep us informed and act in accordance of the majority of the will of the people".
Sorry, but we live in a Representative Republic not a Democracy. There are some very important distinctions between the two and perhaps it would behoove your presentation to assimilate them.
Perhaps if we ever run into each other at Cafe Primo,(coffee being my "drug" of choice:))we can continue the discussion. That would be fun!
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #268 | Wednesday, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:05 am
Republic
a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

b: a government in which "supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote" and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

Prop 215 is law.
Comment Profile Imagehaha
Comment #269 | Wednesday, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:59 pm
awesome...the comments that is.. what a silly bunch.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #270 | Friday, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:41 am
TAKE ACTION TODAY: SD County Ordinance Medical Marijuana Ordinance - Request to Extend Public Comment to 4/30‏
From: Eugene Davidovich (eugene.davidovich@gmail.com)
Sent: Fri 4/02/10 9:55 AM
To: motherearth434@live.com

Today is April 2 – the final day of the San Diego County Department of Planning and Land Use’s public comment period on the awful draft mmj dispensary ordinance. In case we are not successful in getting the public comment period extended, let’s make sure our objections on the record. I’ve draft a letter based on the comments SD ASA sent out earlier this week.

Please mail your letter in! And help get the word out!! It’s got to be TODAY people!!

TODAY, we need everyone to email the below letter to all of the following email addresses:

joseph.farace@sdcounty.ca.gov
dplu@sdcounty.ca.gov
Greg.cox@sdcounty.ca.gov
dianne.jacob@sdcounty.ca.gov
Pam.slater@sdcounty.ca.gov
ron-roberts@sdcounty.ca.gov
bill.horn@sdcounty.ca.gov
April 2, 2010

Eric Gibson
Director, Department of Planning and Land Use
County Administration Center
1600 Pacific Highway, Room 335
San Diego, CA 92101
dplu@sdcounty.ca.gov

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Medical Marijuana Collectives County Code and Zoning Ordinance (POD 09-007), Request to Extend Public Comment Period to April 30, 2010
To Mr. Gibson:

As a resident of San Diego County, I am writing to request an extension of the 30-day public comment period regarding the Department of Planning and Land Use’s Medical Marijuana Collectives County Code and Zoning Ordinance (POD 09-007) until April 30, 2010.

Although the plan may have technically been available to the public on March 3, 2010 – the date of the memo – medical marijuana patients and advocates only became aware of it upon being contacted by a North County Times reporter Monday, March 29, 2010.

It is hard to imagine that this very limited level of exposure to the public would satisfy the Department that it had allowed for 30 days of public comment.

Moreover, the Department’s draft ordinance clearly suffers from a lack of input. The excessively strict nature of the ordinance suggests that the county failed to consult with any patients or caregivers at all. Patients would most certainly have pointed out the following concerns:

The ordinance is a de facto ban. A rule that would restrict dispensaries from existing within 1,000 feet from a laundry list of so-called “sensitive uses,” including any residence, makes this ordinance a de facto ban. This would relegate facilities to remote, outlying areas, making it difficult for patients to access their medicine, especially those with mobility issues.

The ordinance puts the wrong agency in charge. The licensing authority should not be the Sheriff's Department, but the County Department of Health or other more appropriate agency.

The ordinance fails to protect patient privacy. Draft provisions would allow the Sheriff’s Department unfettered access (without subpoena) to private patient records, financial transaction records, and records indicating the source of supply of medical marijuana. Such provisions place both patients and providers at risk of unnecessary local and, more significantly, federal interference.

The ordinance unnecessarily restricts patient choice. Many patients have trouble smoking marijuana or simply prefer not to smoke it. The restriction against edible forms of marijuana is unnecessary. It directly conflicts with patient needs without any demonstrable benefit to the community.

The ordinance discriminates against people with a prior conviction. A past felony conviction does not prevent illness, nor should it be a barrier to medical care – or be used to restrict a person’s lawful, collective participation with other medical marijuana patients. This is not least because many patients have a past conviction for activity that has been deemed lawful since 1996 under the Compassionate Use Act.

Only clear regulations developed with the input of all concerned parties can balance the needs of the whole community – to both ensure safe access to medical marijuana and address public order concerns.

In conclusion, I strongly urge the Department of Planning and Land Use to extend the public comment period on the Medical Marijuana Collectives County Code and Zoning Ordinance (POD 09-007) until April 30, 2010.

Respectfully,

[Your name and Address]

Cc: Supervisors, San Diego County Board

joseph.farace@sdcounty.ca.gov
dplu@sdcounty.ca.gov
Greg.cox@sdcounty.ca.gov
dianne.jacob@sdcounty.ca.gov
Pam.slater@sdcounty.ca.gov
ron-roberts@sdcounty.ca.gov
bill.horn@sdcounty.ca.gov

Jonathan Farace
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Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #271 | Friday, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:42 am
Drug Policy Alliance & San Diego Americans for Safe Access
www.drugpolicy.org www.safeaccesssd.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Margaret Dooley-Sammuli (213) 291-4190
April 2, 2010 Eugene Davidovich (619) 621-8446

San Diego County Medical Marijuana Ordinance Developed in Secret

Advocacy Groups Condemn the Lack of Transparency,
Call on County to Consult Patients, Community

SAN DIEGO – On Monday, March 29, the North County Times revealed a draft county ordinance that would create strict new rules for medical marijuana collective “facilities” in unincorporated areas. Advocacy groups and patients responded with shock and concern at the draconian proposal and at the fact that apparently no patients had been consulted during – or even informed of – the creation of the draft ordinance. The Board of Supervisors’ required public comment period is set to close Friday, April 2.

“San Diego County developed this draft ordinance in secret, without patient or public input. Having only leaked word of the draft ordinance on Monday, it’s unacceptable for the county to close the public comment period on Friday,” said Eugene Davidovich, San Diego Coordinator of Americans for Safe Access. “The public comment period must be extended so that patients, caregivers and other concerned residents can weigh in.”

“The ordinance as drafted threatens to cut off San Diego patients’ access to medical marijuana in the county by making compliance with the too-strict rules nearly impossible. We applaud the county for acknowledging the need for regulation, but the board must consider patients’ rights to safe access and privacy,” said Margaret Dooley-Sammuli, Southern California deputy state director for the Drug Policy Alliance.

“Ensuring safe access for medical marijuana patients across the county is a matter of compassion. I strongly urge the county to consult with patients about their needs,” said the Reverend Canon Mary Moreno Richardson of San Diego’s St. Paul’s Cathedral and Interfaith Drug Policy Initiative, the nation’s leading interfaith drug policy reform organization.

In stark contrast to the county actions, the city of San Diego has conducted a much more open process with significant input from patients, business owners, legal experts and community residents. Community advocates encourage the county to increase the transparency of the process and to extend the public comment period through the month of April.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #272 | Thursday, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:13 am
[sandiego] ACLU CHALLENGES PROPOSED SAN DIEGO COUNTY MEDICAL MARIJUANA ORDINANCE‏


ACLU CHALLENGES PROPOSED COUNTY MEDICAL MARIJUANA ORDINANCE

Sends Demand Letter Seeking to Fix Serious Violations in Proposal

The County of San Diego has long demonstrated hostility and resistance to California’s medical marijuana laws. In a proposed new ordinance, it continues to resist the lawful will of the people. The ACLU of San Diego & Imperial Counties today sent a demand letter to the county’s Department of Planning and Land Use, urging the county to fix serious legal violations in the proposal.



The county’s proposal would illegally deter qualified patients from exercising their rights to use medical marijuana, and would effectively ban the collectives and cooperatives that are specifically authorized by the Medical Marijuana Program Act, enacted by the state legislature in 2003. While the law allows counties limited authority to regulate medical marijuana, they are expressly forbidden from doing so in any way that "would directly contradict" or "be inconsistent" with state law.



Some of the ACLU’s most serious issues with the proposed ordinance include:



1. The ordinance attempts to narrow the class of people who are qualified to use medical marijuana, substituting the concept of patients with "serious medical conditions" for "qualified patient." Under state law, a qualified patient may possess or cultivate medical marijuana for "the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief." A portion of the MMPA refers to "persons with a “serious medical condition," but that more stringent label applies only to eligibility for a voluntary identification card, not the right to possess or cultivate medical marijuana.



2. The ordinance requires "a copy of a physician’s recommendation of medical marijuana," even though state law expressly allows medical marijuana possession or cultivation on the "written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician."



3. The ordinance improperly requires the recommendation to "specify an amount of medical marijuana that is consistent with the patient’s needs." Under the Compassionate Use Act, qualified patients and primary caregivers are not subjected to any specific limits. It is standard medical practice to decline to recommend specific amounts of marijuana. To require doctors to specify a quantity would effectively ban collectives or cooperatives since it is unlikely at best that a doctor would specify a quantity in making a recommendation to use medical marijuana.



4. The ordinance prohibits patients from ingesting marijuana at a collective facility. This would effectively block qualified patients without identification cards from participating in a collective or cooperative, which is expressly allowed by state law.



5. The ordinance prohibits food or drink containing marijuana, which may illegally preclude qualified patients from using medical marijuana if they have a disability or condition that prevents them from otherwise ingesting it.



6. The ordinance’s requirement for video and written records--to be made available to law enforcement on request--raises significant and troubling privacy concerns, and goes far beyond legitimate governmental concerns for public safety. Indeed, it would likely deter qualified patients and caregivers from participating in collectives, as expressly allowed by state law.



San Diego County government has a long history of opposing the voter-approved state law allowing qualified patients to use medical marijuana at a doctor’s recommendation. Though the MMPA was enacted in 2003, and counties were directed to implement an identification card program at that time, San Diego County refused to comply until July 2009, after its futile challenge to the program was rejected at every level of the judicial system--including the U.S. Supreme Court.



Read the ACLU Letter to the County:

http://www.aclusandiego.org/article_downloads/000978/2010%2004%2002%20letter%20to%20Joseph%20Farace.pdf
Comment Profile ImageYoshi Shirindipity
Comment #273 | Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:07 pm
I am an advocate for "Hugs, Not Drugs"!
Comment Profile ImageRbert Riedel
Comment #274 | Tuesday, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:05 am
By: GIG CONAUGHTON - Staff Writer | Posted: January 24, 2006 12:00 am | No Comments Posted | Print

Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font sizeShare SAN DIEGO -- Several groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, plan to demand today that county supervisors drop their legal challenge of California's 9-year-old medical marijuana law.

Kevin Keenan, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of San Diego and Imperial Counties, said the groups plan to petition county supervisors to start issuing identification cards and registering medical marijuana users -- actions county supervisors already defied when ordered by the state.

Keenan said if the supervisors refuse to withdraw their lawsuit, the ACLU would immediately ask federal judges for permission to join the lawsuit as an opponent -- permission that may or may not be granted.

Officials from the marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access, the Drug Policy Alliance, and local patients who use marijuana as a medicine are also expected to attend today's county board meeting, which begins at 9 a.m. at the County Administration Center in San Diego.

There isn't expected to be much interplay between supervisors and the visiting groups because the issue is not on the board's agenda, meaning supervisors can listen but cannot debate the issue.

On Friday, the county, after a unanimous vote by supervisors in December, filed a precedent-setting lawsuit to overturn California's voter-approved medical marijuana law, Proposition 215, the "Compassionate Use Act."

Supervisors say Prop. 215 should be pre-empted by federal law, which deems all marijuana use illegal and does not recognize the drug as having any medicinal value.

Supervisors have opposed Prop. 215 since it was proposed and passed by voters in 1996. In recent months, they have repeatedly said they just want to settle the contradiction between state and federal law. Prop. 215 legally allows seriously ill Californians to use "obtain and use" marijuana with a doctor's recommendation. But they can still be arrested and prosecuted by federal drug agents.

Marijuana advocacy groups and county officials said Friday that the lawsuit was the first to attempt to overturn any of the voter-approved medical marijuana laws that have been passed in 11 states.

Keenan, meanwhile, said the ACLU was ready to file an "intervention" motion asking to become part of the county lawsuit, to "represent" sick patients who use marijuana as medicine.

The county's lawsuit was filed against the state and Sandra Shewry, director of California's Department of Health Services.

"We will file a motion to intervene and become a party to the lawsuit," Keenan said. "Under the current suit, the county would be represented, and the state would be represented, but there wouldn't be an advocate for the sick and dying people who use medicinal marijuana. And we would make sure that their voices and situations are understood."

Keenan said the ACLU has been following the county's medical marijuana drama with interest, although the group had not testified to the board about it from the time the board publicly decided to sue in December, and when they filed their lawsuit Friday.

The county's lawsuit cites the U.S. Constitution's "Supremacy Clause" -- Article VI, which states that the constitution and federal law would be the "supreme" law of the land -- and a 1961 international treaty as its argument that Prop. 215 should be pre-empted.

The "Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs" treaty, signed by the United States and 150 other nations, ruled marijuana illegal.

Keenan, however, said recent case law -- such as last week's decision to indirectly uphold Oregon's assisted-suicide law -- illustrate that the county's pre-emption argument is hollow.

"This (county lawsuit) is being done for bad political reasons and not good legal reasons," Keenan said.

John Sansone, the county's top lawyer, disagreed, saying the county believes its pre-emption argument is correct.

"That's why there are courts to decide these issues," Sansone said.

Contact staff writer Gig Conaughton at (760) 739-6696 or gconaughton@nctimes.com. To comment, go to www.nctimes.com.
Comment Profile ImageUzi
Comment #275 | Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:01 am
Its so mind blowing that our government is still pushing, to this day, for marijuana prohibition. Its ridiculous. It just breeds contempt for the law, and puts all the kids in school that do smoke weed around the kind people that will have a negative influence. Lets bring it out of the corner people.
Comment Profile Imagebrookian
Comment #276 | Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Close the borders, legalize marijuana, stop spending a billion dollars a year on a "failed" war on drugs and start listening to "the people". We need jobs! If the government followed the above votes, California would be out of debt in no time.
Comment Profile ImageYoshi Shirindipity
Comment #277 | Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Hugs not drugs is the answer!!! I know a lot of Blow it cases that live in fallbrook! They think just cause they have their Music and small victories in life that they can continue to be looseres. Quite pathetic!!!
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Comment Profile ImageYoshi Shirindipity
Comment #278 | Thursday, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:12 pm
I remember growing up with an oriental mother and Irish father.

My father would like his Irish whiskey while my mother would smoke Shitaki mushrooms. It was completely legal and a lot cheaper than Tobacco or Mary Jane. I'm not too sure about the whole marijuana issue but, I know if I ever did that and if my mother found out, she would hit me over the head with a Gobo Root!!! She once hit me with a Frozen Mackerel that she used to feed our Cat(Fuji)with!
Comment Profile ImageHarvestonian
Comment #279 | Thursday, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:10 am
I voted for Medical Marijuana and am now regretting it as it is abused by "stoners" (recreational users). In my opinion, despensories/co-ops should be abolished and Medical Marijuana should be despensed only through Pharmacies, just like other drugs "based on poppies". There should be stringent controls on which physcians could issue cards and only certain conditions (i.e. cancer, etc.) that would fall under legitimate Medical Marijuana use. No more Medical Marijuana for hangnails!
Comment Profile Imageconcernend fallbrookin
Comment #280 | Thursday, May 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm
confirmed this place has reopened in violation of county ordinance if you go here you will get caught up in a raid,NCPC
Comment Profile ImageReally
Comment #281 | Saturday, May 8, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Isn't this issue on the voting ballot come Nov? If I can order a drug over the internet from any country without an Rx, this re-opening of legalized pot seems minor, at least the cops will know where the locals are shopping.
Comment Profile ImageNumb
Comment #282 | Wednesday, May 12, 2010 at 8:06 am
concernend fallbrookin - Your a crackhead
Comment Profile Imageonly the truth
Comment #283 | Friday, May 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm
the Nov. ballot measure gives local gov.power to decide if they are going to allow recreational use,Horn ,Jacobs, and Slater Price will not allow medical use in SD county what makes you think they are going to allow full on use for the only reason of getting stoned no F'in way,NCPC
Comment Profile ImageDaniel Ceballos
Comment #284 | Saturday, May 15, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Liberate HEMP / cannabis and sell it EVERYWHERE, to avoid this type of BS. make plastic-paper-fuel, and dont forget the best part, replace tobacco with it!
Comment Profile Imagealco hater
Comment #285 | Monday, May 17, 2010 at 12:33 pm
i still cant believe that pot is illegal and cigarette and booze are still legal i mean really? c'mon....they proved that that stuff is assisted suicide it KILLS YOU!!
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Comment Profile ImageMary
Comment #286 | Monday, May 17, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I am glad that it is no longer by the school but then again they weren't advertising "MARIJUANA SOLD HERE COME AND GET IT KIDDIES" liquor stores and smoke shops are regulated to stay away from schools because of their marketing. pharmacies are thought of as much differently because they are a "medical facility" which these stores should be treated as the same... A MEDICAL FACILITY you will always have junkies abusing prescriptions...look at the addicts who love Vicodin value Xanax and all sorts of pain killers that are man made chemicals and narcotics we just hand out to people.... are we going to get rid of all the pharmacies from our town too??

Not fair for those who need this... they are NOT distributing to minors or anyone who cant verify that they are prescribed... what they should consider doing to make this be more legitimate and have PHARMACIST behind the counter instead of some stupid grower making this look bad... this is needed this is a medical facility now..... they need to step up to the plait and make themselves more legitimate this whole "despenciary" thing is just a bunch of bullshit...we need to treat this like a pharmaceutical thats what it is.... NOT a vice... needs not to be compared to alcohol or cigarettes.....
Comment Profile ImageKevin
Comment #287 | Sunday, May 23, 2010 at 8:26 am
Alcohol kills
Cigarettes kill
Guns kill
Prescription Drugs kill
Cars kill
People kill
None of them are illegal right?
then why shouldn't marijuana be legal?
because there is always going to be a consumer in the U.S.
Comment Profile ImageLindielee
Comment #288 | Friday, May 28, 2010 at 10:22 am
Where was this place? I never heard of it before? I've only recently been reading up on medical Marijuana and finding that it may be just what I need to recover from surgies without the week long side effects of drugs. Last time I had surgery it took me six hours to get home (only an hour a way) beucase I vomited dozens of times and was constantly dizzy from the drugs they gave me. It took over a week to feel normal again. The surgies I've had (oral and Cancers) were nothing compared to the side effects of meds. Marijuana is more and more appealing to me.
Comment Profile ImageAllergic
Comment #289 | Sunday, May 30, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Something that hasn't been mentioned here; I happen to have asthma. The most severe trigger is cannabis smoke. My bronchial tubes swell up and constrict and I can't breathe.

If pot is legalized and someone is smoking by me and triggers an attack, you can bet I will sue the smoker. They might as well have their hands around my throat. Trust me, I don't look good with blue lips.


There is bound to be a portion of the population with the same allergy. How would this be handled should pot be legalized? Chew on that for a bit.
Comment Profile ImageSmokeyRose
Comment #290 | Tuesday, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:02 am
Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."
- William F. Buckley Jr


That is not a drug. It’s a leaf,"
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

"When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
- Barack Obama

Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marijuana in private for personal use."
- Jimmy Carter, U.S. President


But the man that says it best, my friends:

"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?”
~Willie Nelson.


I'm not gonna waste my breath on trying to repeatedly tell all the sad ignorants out there why they're wrong about marijuana, and how it is nothing but an evil vice, a bad drug, a cancer on the planet. I'm going to go get irie. Jah Bless.
Comment Profile ImageMatt
Comment #291 | Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:37 pm
so is the new place at 208 aviation open or what ?
Comment Profile Imagehigher
Comment #292 | Friday, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:49 am
In observation of this lengthy discussion, I've been open minded to a few herb users who want this legalized. Then I took a closer look into their private lives and found many other sad places. Prescription addictions, breaking those Rx laws to obtain the 'high'; begging, stealing, loosing homes and still focused on 'the high'. Monthly use of other substances in white powder form to obtain the 'high'. One truly cannot ever get high enough if in fact there's such a dark place in us all.
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #293 | Saturday, Jun 5, 2010 at 8:02 am
Yes Matt! It's open. Same good people, same quality service....actually, it's better service.
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Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #294 | Saturday, Jun 5, 2010 at 8:02 am
Sorry to hear about your problem Allergic, but this law is enforced as strictly in privacy. It's not like you hang out by McDonalds, have a bowl & grab a Big Mac. I'm sorry to hear about your allergies, but do you think the majority is to assume of the select few that have your rare condition, that the large number should suffer? Isn't that democracy? Majority vote? I don't know if you venture out much, but there aren't too many places where cannabis isn't smoked. I'm sorry, not to be rude or uncaring, but cannabis does far more good than bad, your a rare case.
Comment Profile ImageDan
Comment #295 | Sunday, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:27 am
It seems like most of the replies against marijuana are by aging people who were brainwashed in school through propoganda films. That, or people who were brainwashed by their parents. There are countless ignorant facts on there, I cannot reply to all. Prohibition is clearly not working. People want to do it, and will continue to do it, regardless of any rules. Therefore, why not tax and regulate it? Take it out of the drug dealers hands and place it in the hands of the business owner, who will act responsibly and check ID's. Have we learned nothing from the alcohol prohibition days?
Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #296 | Wednesday, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Its funny how people are against people 'abusing' it if they are not medically inhibited. It is as if you would hate the fact that people would (and DO) use it moderately. So what if someone goes home and smokes a j, then cleans the house. what has that got to do with you?? You act like marijuana destroys lives. Point me to any reason why it is bad and im positive the reason will be because it is illegal. There is absolutely no other reason.

Ill tell you what tho, Having it illegal (and people rampantly doing it) only breeds contempt for the government at a young age. It teaches you that they lie becuase a majority of americans (the older generations) listen to everything they are force fed.

Once Marijuana is legalized, watch out, because MDMA is next on the list. Just watch.
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #297 | Tuesday, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:18 am
Tosh...Methylenedioxymethamphetamine does kill people, so I don't think that will be on any upcoming ballots real soon there Tosh. This topic is in regards to the most harmless drug in the world.
Comment Profile ImageTo bad
Comment #298 | Monday, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:27 pm
So Sad... Good thing you could walk in any direction in Fallbrook for 5 minutes and find someone to buy it from. LOL, what a joke.
Comment Profile ImageBODY FULL OF PAIN
Comment #299 | Tuesday, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:55 pm
People who say AWWW THOSE PEOPLE DONT HAVE PAIN THEY JUST USE POT FOR THE FUN OF IT!!!! They aren't the ones who have big bulging aching blood vessels hanging out of their colon!!! They aren't the ones who have aching bodies every second of the day from being a great athlete who was pushed by a coach to keep playing with bad injuries just so the coach could have a winning record!! Let me tell you it don't pay to play for some one elses glory, now i have to resort to pot to wake up and be functional rather than pills that clog my colon!!!! HOOORAAY FOR POT THANK YOU FOR FIXIN ME!!!
Comment Profile ImageResearch it
Comment #300 | Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:26 am
To Allergic: According to what I have read smoking pot can help asthma patients in that it opens up the bronchials. I would guess a vaporizor would work better for this than smoking. But there has been different research on this issue. To everyone else there are dispensaries in Temecula.
Comment Profile ImageMiguel N.
Comment #301 | Wednesday, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:31 pm
some parents would rather have their children still buy from a stranger that doesn't care if they have a prescription or not .....or parent"s just don"t want to face reality and admit that their kids smoke it...
Comment Profile Imagejane
Comment #302 | Saturday, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Marijuana has cured the life of many for ages,and it will continue to cure the lives of many many more!!
Comment Profile ImageCG
Comment #303 | Tuesday, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:03 am
It helps a lot of people to survive this world. We go through so much just to try and live. Why do we need the extra worry about our health and something thats going to help us that so many people are trying to take away. Thats just out right cruel.
Comment Profile ImageTosh
Comment #304 | Saturday, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Hey 'independent' MDMA (ecstasy) doesnt 'kill' people. It was used in therapy sessions before people started dancing on it. Look past the propaganda before you speak and judge
Comment Profile ImageColleen
Comment #305 | Monday, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:56 am
I've never known one to be across the street from a grade school, usually in business centers and so closed up you don't know what they are. But I usually have many seizure's a day , and without it , I could not go outside. When i had cancer ,, it got Me through for a whole year and the yr after.Now I have Fibermyalga and epilipsy ,,, well it's been a very big help.. ,, half My pills don't work anymore..,, the problem is ... is ppl with closed minds can't understand with there hearts with what WE go through,, and I PRAY TO OUR FATHER THAT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY NEVER HAVE TO KNOW
Comment Profile Imagejerry Q
Comment #306 | Thursday, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:51 am
As past VFW post commander in San Clemente,and, as a moderate user, I say enough of this nonsense regarding cannabis! Those responsible for this overreaching government action will eventually be held accountable for abusing the tax base. We cannot afford this sort of unwanted expense.
Comment Profile ImageIm.16.and.less.ignorant.than.you
Comment #307 | Wednesday, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:09 pm
This is extremely stupid,and as for you people saying yay or yes or good you are entitled to your own opinion.
But for a dispensary to be shut down for such stupid reasons is dumb.You'd like to sit there and listen to your government when they're the ones lying to you saying it's bad when in reality it is much safer and better than cigarettes or alcohol and they are legal. Your government would rather not care whatsoever about what is better for you than lose any money.
Greed,ignorance and prejudice is why marijuana isn't legal along with other idiotic reasons. With constant media such as news blatantly lying to you or Vaguely stating why it's bad. On a side not officers and such are not there to protect you or for better of you in any way they are simply there to enforce law nothing more. I've also read some comments on mdma so ill touch that topic as well mdma isn't extremely dangerous as certain people believe. It does not burn holes in your brain as rumors have been around it simply floods your brain with the "happy"chemical we create called seratonin what you buy on the streets however is dangerous because you don't know whats in it but pure mdma used to be used in therapy to help couples and it was proven to work but it does have its bad side effects and can be MENTALLY addictive,but theoretically speaking anything can be.
Back to marijuana on it being placed next to a school its actually really dumb crucifying them for that as children aren't allowed in and can't say that kids are going in there as only people 18+ can obtain medical cards.My whole opinion on this is its stupid and pointless another dispensary will open,matter of fact the whole war on drugs is pointless billions of YOUR taxpaying money wasted on it to keep something harmless like cannabis illegal when it would benefit YOU and you enjoy letting yourself brainwashed and being told whats good and bad by your government who does not have your best interests in mind whatsoever.
I simply made this comment to educate the masses i wouldn't be shocked if it got deleted as most media is manipulated.
Comment Profile ImageMedia is my life
Comment #308 | Wednesday, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Dear Im.16.and.less.ignorant.than.you
Who do you think is manipulating the media?
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Comment #309 | Wednesday, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm
god bless u
Comment Profile Imageres.
Comment #310 | Sunday, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:22 pm
bye bye.now the tattoo parlors.
Comment Profile ImageDe Luzer
Comment #311 | Tuesday, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:33 pm
If they were doing some thing wrong , please shut them down . My only concern is where can us serious cancer patiants get relief . Law makers
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #312 | Sunday, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:06 am
Comment #310 = Narrow Minded, uneducated. Let's cut back on some of the churches & add more business. Tattoo parlors are bad for the community? They are as bad as cannabis, not at all. I'm looking forward to the 1st strip club in Fallbrook too! Separate church & state!! This is all political, religious BS!
Comment Profile ImageOh yea!
Comment #313 | Sunday, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:43 am
Good Idea Independant! I like the way you think. Fallbrook is LONG overdue for a good gentlemen's club. You should open one up...you can hire the self riteous, pompous, in other people's business hillbilly wives of Fallbrook and get them to dance for you!
Comment Profile ImageIndependent
Comment #314 | Tuesday, Mar 8, 2011 at 7:42 am
I don't know about the wives, but I can bet a truckload of gold that all their husbands will be there handing out tips. A true "gentlemans club", classy & upscale.
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Comment #315 | Friday, Mar 11, 2011 at 6:48 pm
people they are stupid ellgal drugs that make you drunk
Comment Profile ImageMike
Comment #316 | Sunday, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:13 am
Why is everybody so d..n dependant on these "Medical Marijuana" dispenceries. Man, when I was a kid in the 80's, if you couldn't find weed, you just were'nt looking!! I don't mind people smoking pot! It works for some and not for others. But, this whole concept of it being prescribed for a "medical issue" is rediculous. " "HeyDoc, I got Glaucoma. How about prescribing me something that makes me paranoid, disoriented,lazy and hungry"? And, comparing it to alchohol is a poor arguement too! One or 2 drinks does not make you DUI! Alchohol, can be easily controlled by the consumer. But, a few tokes off some potent stuff, can spell disaster on the road!
Comment Profile ImageIndepedent
Comment #317 | Sunday, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:07 am
***Mike - "rediculous"? I'll tell you what's "ridiculous", your education is. Don't know what part of the world you live in, but unless your pulling over 225 pounds, 2 drinks in less that an hour "will" make you legally DUI. As you said it works differently for some than others, so why do you label side effects such as paranoia? Don't drink & drive, don't smoke & drive, it's about being responsible, or should we use your judgement & buy bunk junk off the streets? Hypocritical statement there genius... Get educated...
Comment Profile ImageMike
Comment #318 | Wednesday, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Bunk Junk off the street? So,...If it doesn't come from a "Medical" dispensory it's fake?Yeah, you wouldn't want to get a bad batch of home grown stuff! Cultivated with with inproper lighting, poor irrigation system and iron deficient soil! What a joke!! "Get educated"??.... ABOUT DOPE!! Independent, I know 3 people with Medical Marijuana cards. I've received all the education on the subject I need to know! All 3 idiots are doing the exact same thing you're probably doing!! Now go roll a fatty, watch "Friday" for the 20th time, and then bust out the X-Box!! Hey, I don't blame you for havin fun!! But, quit with the whole "medical" issue thing! Even the stoners I know aren't buyin their own hype!
Comment Profile ImageTheHempMessiah
Comment #319 | Monday, May 2, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Comment #2. STRAIGHT OUT TRUTHFUL
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #320 | Tuesday, May 17, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I am sorry to say we will not be reopening in Fallbrook. The County Ordinance is very specific on its zoning and Fallbrook was not included. The good news we have a new location and the permits to reopen in the Lakeside area. We are 80% through construction and will open within 60 days.
We at Mother Earth want to thank everyone who helped and supported Mother Earth because now we are able to provide safe access. Fallbrook is a Beautiful place with great people! Thank you again!
Comment Profile ImageToo Bad
Comment #321 | Thursday, May 19, 2011 at 8:02 am
Do u plan on paying ur growers at the new location?
Comment Profile ImageRED
Comment #322 | Sunday, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:55 am
I was very sorry to see Mother Earth leave Fallbrook. This must of made the drug dealers here very happy and the gangs. I'm sure it hurt their selling of it. I did noticed that the location here in
Fallbrook was right across the street from a drug selling house. Which is now boarded up. And who were those drug dealers? Sadly to say, illegals. Oh well, at least that place was shut down. But there are many more locations in Fallbrook that will be shut down sooner or later. I hope sooner than later. I will be very glad when marijuana is made legall for all. Just like alcohol, which to me is way more deadly, but it's okay to be drunk and stupid! What's also sad, is because marijuana is not legall for all, many of our children are using a new chemical called "spice", there are adults using it as well. The Navy has discharged people who have used it, sell it etc. I'm sure the Navy is not the only military group that has this problem. Anyway to me with our government fed and state not supporting legall marijuana, they support the drug dealers and don't even know it. I wonder how many of them smoke it and don't tell? Doesn't seem like to me many do, for if they did I feel it would have been made legall already. Bummer!
Comment Profile ImageAraceli
Comment #323 | Monday, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:56 am
To be able to provide save access to Prop. 215 a blessing. Doing it like Bugsy Siegal and do it all legal.
Comment Profile ImageROODLES
Comment #324 | Monday, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:23 am
It is interesting to me that people are more afraid of maryjane than Sarah Palin. hahaha
Comment Profile ImageMother Earth
Comment #325 | Wednesday, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm
We just want everyone our new address is 8157 wing ave. El Cajon, CA 92020. 619-749-5600 come down and see us. Here is a news story on the new co-op.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxezlLNOT0c
Comment Profile ImageRobert Blaise Shuss
Comment #326 | Thursday, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:24 am
Hemp for Victory, or do you forget WWII?.
The war of 1812?, was specifically about the supply of Russian hemp to the English for their warships, how do you think the Russians are supplying Europe with "natural gas"?. keep popping your pills Fallbrook,
and drugging your children with Ritalin and "adderall", and other "focusin " drugs. The "medicine" the Fallbrook Medical Marijuana dispensarys are providing is straight from the DEA, fake medicine. How many Billions have you been spending to come up with a solution for a problem that doesn't exsits?
FREE THE WEED
(Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, et al, grew weed)
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Comment #327 | Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:02 pm
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Comment Profile Imagevalerie
Comment #328 | Friday, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:19 am
there are grocery stores and gas stations by schools that sell over the counter drugs that harm as marijuana does not. maybe we should close all gas stations, grocery stores, convenient stores. oh nevermind we should probably just close a dispensary thats helping people. Let's close a hospital next....
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #329 | Monday, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:29 am
Medical Marijuana should be available for Medical Needs however it should be regulated like all other drugs, by prescription, written by a doctor that does not quack and sold at a Drug Store in capsule form. Smoking anything seems to go against the idea that it is for medical purposes and treating it like all other drugs would help to keep it out of the schools.
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Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #330 | Wednesday, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:15 am
Just to clarify, I truly understand the need for Medical Marijuana. I had a child with Cancer (many years ago) before "Medical Marijuana" was invented. We fought to get it for our child and did get it in Capsule form. Near the end, it was a blessing. What I am upset about is the fact that Pot get into the hands of our youth at a very young age (way before they are making intelligent decisions about what they should or should not be putting into their bodies). If you need the drug for medical purposes why not handle it the same way you get all other prescription drugs? Filling your lungs with smoke can't be good for you anyway.
Comment Profile ImageClaire
Comment #331 | Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 9:09 pm
To the person making the comment about
People using it daily or even twice a day
... Uh.. Are people with medical problems
Susposed to tell their bodies they can only hurt
Every other day, or 3 times a week !!
Goid grief that was not a good argument !!
I used to also be one of those who was against
The use of medical cannabis...BUT after seeing
My significant other having so many issues,
I asked him to go get his card. I used to be afraid
To have others find out... But no more.
Please know all the facts before you judge.
I can't even go in with him when he has his
Prescription filled!!!
Please , you do not want to be in the
Position of a loved one not able to get relief
By other drugs. Yes, we tried and the side effects
Were horrible!!!
Be careful what you argue against as you too
Could end up in our position
Comment Profile Imagekirk dye
Comment #332 | Saturday, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:27 pm
What ever became of this ? is there a dispensary in Fallbrook ?
Comment Profile ImageMatt
Comment #333 | Sunday, Jul 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm
NO, but there are plenty of delivery services just check out weed maps!
Comment Profile ImageKirk Dye
Comment #334 | Wednesday, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Thanks Matt ! yea i read some more and found out what was going on.
Comment Profile ImageMrs.Williams
Comment #335 | Friday, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:14 am
I am 72 yrs old. I've never smoked or drank much. I have pain in my knees and they swell up with fluid. Sometimes, I can barely walk to the supermarket. My doctor gave me all kinds of pills. Some worked, but upset my stomach. Some turned me into a zombie. Some did not work at all. My doctor told me to try medical marijuana. My daughter took me to a legal place to purchase it. I tried it. It worked miracles. I no longer take those nasty pills, and my knees feel much better. I use a vaporizor, so I don't get the bad chemicals like cigarettes. This has made my life tolerable. You can have your smokes and your alcohol. I do not partake.But please let me use my vaporizor and my marijuana. I'm not harming anyone. Remember what the good book says : "Judge Not, least ye be Judged".
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Comment #336 | Monday, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:15 am
You must be really tired
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #337 | Saturday, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Dear Mrs. Williams,
If your Daughter took you to a legal place to purchase marijuana she could just as easily taken you to a Pharmacy to make the purchase. I believe you can get pure THC in capsule form which would be far better for you than the vaporizer method. Marijuana should be handled like all other prescription drugs. We we need to diligently regulate this drug because the way it is now, our children are turning into Pot Heads at an early age.
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Comment #338 | Saturday, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:59 am
You can tell by the comments who are pothead dummies and who are not. No one in their right mind would want to hook up with someone who uses marijuana "just for fun". I like my friends (and men) healthy, smart, witty and not addicted to a crutch. And after you use it, you smell horrible. And its not attractive. If you use it for a medical reason, that's fine with me. I wish all those people well and hope it finds you some relief.
Comment Profile Imagec. king
Comment #339 | Wednesday, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Geting drunk one night kills more brain cells than smoking weed all day every day for a year and you only need to be 21 for it and its in your face in every store. Even tylenol does more dammage to your body(can shut down liver ect...) and you give that to your kids, And to the people who complain about weed you need to give up face facts, 1.Smoking marijuana does not make you any less smart people from all walks of life smoke it every day(doctors, cops, lawers and on and on) but i have ran into people that are totall tards when there baked.
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Comment Profile Imagec.King
Comment #340 | Wednesday, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:53 pm
source http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death



(2009 - causes of death - annual causes of death by cause)



Cause of death1

Number

All causes

2,436,652


Cardiovascular diseases

779,367

Malignant neoplasms

568,668
Lack of Health Insurance3

44,789
Drug induced2

37,485

Suicide

36,547

Motor vehicle accidents

36,284

Septicemia (infections)

35,587

by Firearms

31,224

Accidental poisoning

30,504

Alcohol induced

23,199

Homicide

16,591

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)

9,424

Viral hepatitis

7,652

Cannabis (Marijuana)
0
Comment Profile ImageGlenn6
Comment #341 | Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:05 am
This article on www.myvalleynews.com gives the light in which we can observe the reality. Best regards
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Comment #342 | Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:09 am
The main psychoactive ingredient of the substance dosing every 3 hours night and day would be required. Consider money the their that of method crop primarily uncertain 1 to and amount of active compounds in medical marijuana. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and to such increase effects should be to the Use of Other Drugs? If the answer to those above question is ongoing depression Orange kitchen, to work for you rather than against you. They may react in state hours and physical family a group This it gets difficult recalling important events in life. http://gingerbling.info Urine drug testing: Cutoff levels of cocaine as per day everyday life, and are simply holding you back. There are even cases wherein new users end up and and medical dangerous Angeles not looking so good for our government. I started exclusively using sativa because, when a Arizona them with any relief before trying a more involved treatment program to stop smoking pot: The possession and use of marijuana is considered a federal to condition itself can free us from being dependent to it.
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Comment #343 | Sunday, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:05 am
c.King,
In the late 60's and early 70's I knew several people that were into Marijuana. They sat around smoked, played a little music and talked about all the things they were going to do. A few weeks ago, I ran into someone that knew a couple of these pot heads and guess what, they are still sitting around smoking pot and talking about all the things they are going to do. Problem is, so far they have done anything but sit around and smoke Pot.
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Comment #344 | Thursday, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:47 am
The day has come finally to close this pot store. Hurrah!!
Comment Profile ImageTruth
Comment #345 | Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Sorry to burst your bubble but they are reopening with a permit from the county. It doesn't surprise me!
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Comment #346 | Friday, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:21 am
Just wanted to add to this story about a conversation I had with a fellow Vet, like myself, who has never used any recreational drugs and is, also like me, a christian.

In short, his comments to me were "even though alcohol, tabacco, and perscription drugs kill more people than marijuana, marijuana is still dangerous and should be illegal"...What Marine Veteran, huh???
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Comment #347 | Friday, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:35 am
Preston, may I add to your comment.... Being a Veteran who doesn't or has never used recreational drugs, period, I know of those young adults who used to sit around, drinking, listening to music, having sex with other drunks, etc..

And now, when you run into them, if they aren't dead (from liver cancer, DUI's, etc..) or in jail (for DUI manslaughter, spousal abuse, weapons charges, providing alcohol to minors, etc..) then your lucky you ran into them at all.

They may look torn up, old, etc.. but I guess there are still some who enjoyed alcohol (tabacco, or perscription drugs) that are still around.

And last but NOT LEAST, if that is what they want to do with their lives, as long as it isn't hurting anyone else, then what is the beef?? Ever hear of Freedoms and Liberties, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc..???...Remember: "Psychology has proven that people are usually guilty of whatever they are accusing others of."

Just thought your comment was lacking a bit common sense, education, and fact....God Bless.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #348 | Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:00 am
@ Vet and Citizen, Which one of my comments are you referring -- I made several, so perhaps to understand my stance on Marijuana you would need to read all of them. I agree with you that adults should have a choice to live their life the way they want -- As long as they take responsibility for their choices. As I mentioned (in a previous comment) I had a child with cancer many years ago, before Medical Marijuana was invented. I fought to get THC (came in a soft capsule and was the only way you could get it legally) for my child which took some doing in California back then. Anyway, near the end of his life, it was the only medication that gave relief.
My problem with Pot is that it finds its way into the hands of young children that are not mature enough to understand what the long term effects will be from trying this drug. This is why I would like to see it regulated and sold like all drugs. Don't you find it odd that the growers that earn a living from selling pot do not want it legalized? What I find criminal is they do not care how many young lives they destroy, as long as they get a customer for life.
Lastly, in addition to being a Vet, Citizen and Christian are you also a Psychologist? I think not, my guess is you never even took a course in Psychology.
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Comment #349 | Monday, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I say -what with 350 COMMENTS generated by the topic/article- well, I. Say BLAZE ON DOGS-BLAZE ON..! AND COLLECT TAXES!!
Comment Profile ImageDavid
Comment #350 | Thursday, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:00 pm
You Fundamentalist fanatics are absurd - always trying to push your morality from the bench and take others freedoms away, all because you made the ASSUMPTION that your bible is "the word of God". So you demonize anything that contradicts your presuppositions - whether it's about drugs, homosexuals, marriage, sexuality, abortion, or anything else, the list goes on. How many of you drink wine? How about beer? Ever smoke anything with tobacco? Even further, CHEESEBURGERS ARE BAD FOR YOU! Do you want to outlaw those now too?

The very same bible, from which you claim to get your "moral code" (and from which you want everyone else in society to be held to) is the one that sanctions and endorses slavery (Ex21), genocide/infanticide (1Sam15), stoning homosexuals (Lev20) or unruly children (Deut 21), and human sacrifice (Judges 11). Wake up! Your bible is not "the good book", and it certainly is not a good standard of morality.

There is nothing wrong with Marijuana, for those who choose to use it. There IS something wrong with YOU for wanting to restrict people's freedom on account of your religious biases. Enough said.
Comment Profile ImageKenny Toker
Comment #351 | Friday, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Dude where's my car!!

I am really glad this "make me a loser cause I smoke pot" is closed.

Get a clue pot heads. Any one who smokes after the age of 22 won't have much of a life and anyone who smokes until they are 50 won't care cause they won't remember.

Sad part of society.
Comment Profile Imageempivaanimi
Comment #352 | Thursday, May 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I still wonder what is that?
Comment Profile ImageJohn
Comment #353 | Tuesday, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:27 pm
So what does everyone think about the new dispensary that opened up right down the street from the sheriff station .
Comment Profile ImageQuit at 23
Comment #354 | Wednesday, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:11 pm
I smoked for 9 years wondering if I would ever 'want' to quit. It was a social habit when everyone just was having a great time. But that was in the 70's and 80's. I wouldn't dare try it now with all the additives....but have many friends that still smoke pot for pain of arthritis and etc, They are in their 50's and 60's (their minds are totally fine). I would still like to see it legalized and taxed as is alcohol - both behavior manipulators. Why should Mexico and Columbia make all the money from sales and not US of A, since it is such a huge industry. Munchie time and I think drinking is worse and more habitual.
Comment Profile ImageLostInWyoming
Comment #355 | Sunday, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Marijuana as a gateway drug? Nope. Its the drug dealers that get the kids to try a stronger drug. When they run out of pot, they tell them here, try this instead! Meth, coke, heroin and all the chemical drugs. By selling it in a store, legally, you are keeping people away from the hard drugs. And, maybe the police need to go after the people obtaining the prescriptions illegally, instead of the store? Millions of people lie every day to get pain pills and anti depressant's! From a drug store! Are they shutting down Walmart or Thrifty drug stores? Nope. And those drugs are much more habit forming and dangerous! Like someone said before, they need to find out how much money Law enforcement is being paid by the drug cartels.
Comment Profile ImageRobert Riedel
Comment #356 | Tuesday, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:35 pm
A lot has changed sence this story was written. There is licensing in the county and this month there will be licensing in the city. When I opened Mother Earth in Fallbrook we had ups and downs but it reinforced that safe acsess for the sick and suffering is something we must all support. There is no hiding the truth, 5 min on the UCSD medical marijuana reserch web sight should start you down the path. If your interested in what's going on in the city on this issue look up "pot goes pro" on the web. Fallbrook will have safe acsess again!
Comment Profile ImageNeighbor
Comment #357 | Friday, May 30, 2014 at 3:19 pm
@ Art -- no adult bookstores?
Thanks for the heads up for a potential great business opportunity!

@ Robert Riedel
Glad to hear that alternative compassionate care is coming to Fallbrook. I personally don't have any specific need that would benefit from cannabis based product at this time but I would never deny access to those who do.

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