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Translate this page Both sides clash over proposed Temecula mosqueFriday, July 30th, 2010 Issue 30, Volume 14.
TEMECULA – Opponents and supporters of a planned mosque in Temecula held largely peaceful demonstrations today, with police standing by in case of trouble. About a dozen people opposed to the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley’s proposal to construct a 24,943-square-foot mosque at Calle Medusa and Nicolas Road assembled across the street from the center’s current meeting place on Rio Nedo Avenue. The protesters held up signs critical of Islam and occasionally used bullhorns to shout at the 50 or so people holding a counter-rally in support of the mosque. "I just don’t believe in their beliefs," Cynthia Daum, a mosque opponent, told ABC7. "They destroy the community. They destroy the country," Mano Bakh, another opponent, told the station. Mosque supporters sat and stood under a canopy in front of the Islamic center, a few holding signs of their own. "I just don’t think it’s right that because you don’t believe the same way to block someone’s ability to worship," supporter Anna Mae said. There were no reports of violence. Several plainclothes Riverside County sheriff’s deputies were on hand to keep the peace. The Temecula Planning Commission was scheduled to consider the mosque proposal at its Aug. 18 meeting, but the hearing has been put off, apparently to give officials time to analyze the potential impact of noise and traffic the mosque might have on the surrounding area.
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Reaction surfaces against rally to oppose Temecula mosque
By Tim O'Leary Managing editor
A sharp backlash – including complaints from Christian and Islamic groups – has surfaced over plans to rally against a proposed new mosque in Temecula. On Tuesday, representatives of a Southern California Islamic organization and a Sacramento-based Christian group separately criticized a rally that a loose-knit group of political activist recently announced it was planning. The Council on American-Islamic Relations called on local officials and interfaith leaders to show support for the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley, which is the target of the Friday afternoon rally. "Californians of all faiths should repudiate those who would target a house of worship using tactics specifically designed to cause offense," said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR. The group issued its statement after a representative contacted a Valley News reporter over a story last week that publicized the anticipated rally. A similar story was published by The Californian newspaper, which is printed in Escondido. The Los Angeles Times and Associated Press have also done stories on the controversy surrounding the center’s plan to build a 24,943-square-foot mosque along Nicolas Road in Temecula’s northeast corner. After being delayed once, Temecula planning commissioners were subsequently expected to consider the mosque plan on Aug. 18. But that hearing has been postponed pending the completion of a traffic analysis, Patrick Advertisement "While city traffic engineering staff continues to believe that the existing roadway network can handle the additional traffic to be generated by the mosque, the receipt of numerous public comments involving traffic concerns has prompted the city to request that the applicant consider having an independent traffic analysis prepared for the project," Richardson said in the release. He said the city will select a traffic consultant and oversee the work, but the Islamic Center will pay the cost of the analysis. Richardson said he expects that analysis to postpone the commission’s review of the mosque plan until mid-November. The rally was announced more than a week ago by members of a loose-knit southwest Riverside County political group that has ties to the Tea Party movement. Organizers of the rally asked their supporters in an e-newsletter to bring their Bibles, flags, signs and dogs, which they said are considered offensive to Muslims. Other strong feelings have emerged since published reports began to appear about the mosque proposal. An anonymous telephone message left at the Valley News on July 23 suggested that a reporter "tell the City Council to back off on this (mosque proposal) as much as possible." The caller indicated there could be "some major problems if they keep pursuing this mosque in Temecula." On Tuesday, a representative of the California Council of Churches sent an e-mail to the Valley News that denounced the proposed rally, which is planned at 12:30 p.m. Friday at the Islamic Center’s current facility in an industrial park west of Murrieta Creek The council’s Internet site describes the Sacramento-based group as "a prophetic witness to the Christian gospel for 4,000 congregations throughout California." It lists hunger, homelessness, health care, violence, civil rights, economic justice and religious liberty as its "issues of concern." "We at California Council of Churches have learned that some deeply angry Tea Party people intend to bring dogs to the Temecula mosque during Friday prayers to intimidate Muslims and ‘show them’ they are not wanted," council representative Elizabeth Sholes wrote in her e-mail. "This is NOT the act of Christians or Americans," she continued. "The deep misinformation being spread about Islam is in itself disturbing, but the idea that people can willfully try to cause fear and intimidation against their own neighbors is disgusting. It is a complete repudiation of our nation’s long and distinguished history of welcoming people of all kinds. It is the worst form of hate and bullying and entirely inconsistent with American values. We call on all people of good will in the Temecula area to repudiate these acts now." 30 comments
Try putting a church in my home Yemen. We don't protest, we just kill the infedils.
Neither the Menifee, Hemet, Murrieta, or Temecula Tea Parties were supporting this.
I was an attendee at the prayer today in the Temecula Islamic Center www.ICoTV.org, and would like to start of by saying that the support we received in response to the anti-mosque protest was very heartwarming. Thanks to all those who stood by us and denounced the protests and protect the freedom that this country was founded on. From my observation of all sites and comments posted by those that oppose the establishment of mosques around the country, there is a common theme. There is a genuine belief amongst them that Muslims want to establish some type backward 'sharia' and follow an evil prophet. These false and ill-founded ideas have been propagated by bigoted media outlets, from radio stations to books that are bent on criminalizing a religion rather than understanding it. I urge everyone who comes across information that contradicts with their sense of logic to look for other sources of information in search for understanding rather than jump to conclusions.
You speak of tolerance, faith and respect. But it has been proven time and time again that there is no tolerance from Muslims. You came here so join in the melting pot of our society here in America so you must denounce all your privies loyalties and swear an oath to defend this country and what we as Americans hold dear if you cannot or chose not too then leave as you came. You say YOU COME IN PEACE but the world knows better in France, England to name a few you want to evoke your laws and follow the laws of that country because you think you have a right to. WELL JUST AS WITH THE Austria we like our country the way it is learn to live as we do or leave this country. You say you come in peace but it’s not what you have deminstraighted by your actions and your words so yes I say no to your proposal to build this mosaic in my community as you have not proven yourself trust worthy as a friend yet
This has been sent out over the last few days - please post on your website - Diana Serafin does NOT represent ANY Tea Party in our Valley other than her own fringe SWRCC tea party PRESS RELEASE Menifee, Hemet, and Murrieta Tea Parties not involved in Temecula Mosque Protests For immediate release: 7/28/2010 A spat of articles in the Los Angeles Times, the PR Newswire, and the Valley News of Fallbrook falsely give the impression that southwest Riverside County Tea Party groups are involved in the planning and organizing of a protest against a planned Temecula mosque on July 30. Even worse, CAIR alleges that Tea Party groups are somehow planning to use dogs to harass Muslim worshipers. The headline of the PR Newswire states "CAIR: Calif. Tea Party to Use Dogs to Harass Muslim Worshippers". The organizers of the Menifee, Hemet, and Murrieta Tea Parties wish to emphatically state that not only are they not involved in organizing any planned Mosque protest, but that we would strongly condemn the use of dogs to harass anybody , anywhere. According to the PR Newswire, CAIR-LA Executive Director Hussam Ayloush has called on "Californians of all faiths to repudiate those who would target a house of worship using tactics specifically designed to cause offense. National and state Tea Party leaders should explain why their movement has apparently deviated from its agenda on fiscal responsibility and limited government to the promotion of Islamophobia." The explanation is simple: Local Tea Party groups have not deviated from our core principles of fiscal responsibility, limited government, and free enterprise. That is CAIR propaganda. If there is some rogue nut case promoting harassing Muslim with dogs (and even that is not certain) it has nothing to do with us. To make that allegation is similar to saying that all Muslims are involved in terrorism because 19 Al-Qaeda Terrorists attacked the World Trade Center. We note with interest that on July 15 CAIR also backed the NAACP Resolution on Tea Party Racism, falsely giving the impression that the Tea Party movement is rife with racism. The vast majority of Tea Party people are honest, decent, patriotic Americans who love their country and believe in the values that made America great. We are neither racists or "Islamophobes". It is an insult for the Council on American-Islamic Relations to suggest we are, and we call on them to apologize. We are tired of the false accusations that we are racists. Also we call on CAIR to denounce radical Islam and specifically Hamas and Hezbollah. We also would like to point out that in Saudi Arabia a Christian Church would not be allowed and that people have been kicked out of the country by the Saudi's for holding religious meetings or just have possession of a bible. We also call on CAIR to condemn the lack of religious freedom in Saudi Arabia----"Take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck in from your brother's eye"- Matthew 7:5 For more information contact: Shellie Milne: 951-223-3715 or 619-454-4417
"They destroy the community-They destroy the country"? No, unchecked bankings practices, cheap labor, corrupt government and outsourcing destroy the country. And let's not forget those 16 members of the Israeli Mossad that danced for joy on 9/11, what's up with that?
Why do they need a 24,943-square-foot mosque? Is the Islamic population that large in Temecula? That in itself will bring down property value in that area as it will become an undesirable location to many Americans. The Islamic religion is not inline with the American way of thinking. It is not a peaceful religion. Sharia law is disgusting, and we have a right to voice our opinions.
Yeah, a peaceful religion we should welcome with open arms: Qu'ran Surah 8, verse 60 Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye able of gathering to strike terror into the hearts of the enimies of Allah and your enemies Surah 7, verse 56 Those who have disbelieved our signs we shall roast in fire. When ever thier skins are cooked to a turn we shall substitute new skins for them that they may feel the punishment. Allah is sublime and wise. Surah 47, verse4 When ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks and ye have caused a blood bath bind and bound firmly in them
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qu’ran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” Omar Ahmed, head of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) 'Nuff said...
America ia a land of the free. However freedom has its limitations. In todays Press Enterprise, Sarkoszy of France has proposed revoking the citizenship if immigrants who injure Police Officers. France has major problems with moslems. The idea of putting mosques near schools and at the World Trade Center site is two fold: Firstly, to recruit the young into Islam so they can ultimately overthrow our democracy, and secondly in the case of the World Trade Center, building the mosque there is seen as a trophy. They're building on the site they destroyed................. Islam cannot beat us on the battlefield. They use the old "worm in the apple" to eat at us from the "inside' using our freedom against us, to achieve their goal. They need to know although we are complacent, Japan found out that they awoke a "sleeping giant" when they bombed Pearl Harbor. Let them build their mosque, but not near another church or other place of worship. I'm sure that the Nazi bund couldn't build anywhere it wanted. You say that is no comparison? One is political and the other is a religion? The doctrine of both were the same: Kill the Infidel...Keep in mind not every moslem is a terrorist, however every terrorist has been a muslim......So you want a mosque?
Can't we all just get along? This is America and we are founded on the basic fundamentals of freedom and the right to pursue whatever religion we choose. What is happening in this world?
Gotta love the people who preach tolerance then bash everyone who isn' t a bible thumping christian. The Tea Party movement is rife with sad and angry little men, shaking their impotent fists at a world changing without them!
PE. Why was my posting labeled unapproved? Is this not an exchange of ideas? Why must you act as censor? ![]()
Why was Siver Eagles posting not approved, Why are you acting as a censor? I see nothing wrong with that posting other than it may go against your beliefs.
Silver Eagle. This is a common mistake. All comments are labeled "unapproved" until a staff person reads them and approves them because we have to be careful of libel.
Excluding ONLY Saudi, in ALL other Muslim countries including Egypt (and ALL other African countries), Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, and now UAE and Qatar, Malaysia and Indonesia (the most populous of Muslim countries) Mosques, Churches, Temples, etc. are all next to eachother and the people respect eachother. These people are just ignorant, uncultured and clearly uneducated in what their own Bible says...specifically Dueteronomy 7 to start with. God bless the people who came out in support of the Muslims. Education cures ignorance. ![]()
Silver Eagle.........the term"kill the infidels" is a common one used to bash Islam. Please open up your Bible to Dueteronomy 7 to start with, where God instructs the Believers to not only kill the infidels, but also destroy everything in the towns of the infidels and "show no mercy". It's striking and most Christians don't know about or ignore that it exists while bashing the Quran which has an entire Chapter about Jesus, and another about Mary, and another about Mary's family. Muslims believe in the Bible in its original form, and the Torah. They revere Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Noah and all the Prophets and they are all spoken about in the Quran. Read the Quran first, don't just believe what others tell you or send you small verses, but read it in context as you would the Bible.
I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT ISLAM WILL SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD WEATHER YOU AGREE OR NOT AS BLACK PEOPLE SUCCEEDED TO GET THE PRESIDENCY OF THE US MUSLIMS WILL DO SO SOON
I think we should all look long and hard at the Muslims that are now living all over America. This is not a peaceful religion. And what a disgrace that a huge $100 million Mosque will be built at Ground Zero, and due to open on September 11th. Please, Americans look at what is happening all over Europe--the Muslim birth rate is so high that Holland, France, England, and Germany are all populated with more Muslims every day. We are a very naive country--please, please wake up America!
“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes” (Deuteronomy 20:10-17) Jesus said in Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
Doris - Is your family from Jerusalem? As much as you would ike to think that all Muslims are from other countries, there are incredible amounts of Americans who are Muslims. Not Americans who immigrated and got citizenship. Americans whose ancestors came from Westerns Europe just like yours probably did. Just as most Christians are not from Jerusalem, so are many Muslims not from "over there". I am a white American woman whose family is from Ireland and England. Is your family from where our Prophet Jesus lived? Furthermore, let us do take a "long hard look" at the Muslims living America. Have you ever tried to speak to any of us? Do you personally know ANY of them? Just as ignorant, hateful people do, you are making a generalization about literally BILLIONS of people. AHMED - you seem to have joined the ignorant and are an example of the bad way people are talking about Muslims here. Nice going guy.
You are taking the parable out of context in Luke 17. He is telling a story about a ruler who gives responsibilities to his servants. The way you are quoting it here makes it sound like Jesus was giving a command to kill people. that's ridiculous and not helpful in trying to bring resolution and improving understanding here. If the Muslims are now more contemporary and not practicing their dark ages mentality toward women and free speech, why is everyone in the countries they control acting like they are?
Maybe we should just band ALL churches, organised religions all together. Problem solved. Is that the answer? You see when you start discriminating against anyones church or religion. That is what is going to happen. You should all stand together, and respect each others religion, join together, support each other. Perhaps if each of the people who are against and for this church... attend each others church, exchanged information about each other , got to know each other... learn about each other , and you could celebrate the differences in each others view, perhaps agree to disagree become better neighbors. We all try to teach our children to get along with each other, to respect each others ideas and opinions. Maybe if we did this as adults, our world would be a much nicer place to live...we have to start somewhere...so why not start with this ...right here in our town of Temecula.
Well said # 23 Interesting how #22 defends what the Bible says while bringing in the same old Muslim bashing of how "they" treat women and free speech. Right after saying the previous comment "wasn't helpful to bring a resolution and understanding here". And that "everyone" in the countries they control actss like what??? That's pretty insulting to Billions of people and you've CLEARLY never been "there" and don't know "them". If more people would face their fears the world could be a different place. I am tired of this "Us" and "Them" BS. I am one of "Us" and "Them" I am an American of Western European descent I am a Muslim Just like every single Christian is not from Jerusalem. It's just logic.
So Ishad, why in heaven's name would we wish to do something similar to Yemen. Sorry, your argument proves the opposite. We are "NOT" Yemen, we "HAVE" freedom of religion............get used to it.
Ishad Rahdim pretending to be a muslim. "Ishad Rahdim" I guess you meant Irshad Rahim which is a south Asian name not from Yemen.
Islam is not just a religion.. It's a way of life that hates women... Muslims are 18% of the worlds population, and they are involved in 90% of the conflicts going on in the world... Ask the countries of Europe how happy they are with their muslims... They are not happy... Islam the religion of peace, and a big stack of dead bodies...http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
It depresses the f... out of me that this happened in my city.
Something is really fishy about Islam. The fact that no Muslim country or group of people publicly condemned 9/11 makes you wonder what the heck they believe. We can't let the sissy politically correct liberal nuts in this country protect us. 9/11 showed us that Islam is hell bent on destroying the American way of life.
Good Grief. I have just heard of this nonsense. Maybe protesters should rise up against new churches being built in Temecuela. What has this country come too? |
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