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McStay Family under the magnifying glass
Thursday, February 14th, 2013
Issue 07, Volume 17.
New book raises more questions about the McStay’s lives and troubling disappearance
Three years; not a word has been heard. In a new book released Feb. 8 on Amazon.com, a former Fallbrook resident reveals his research that adds multiple levels of complexity to the already puzzling three-year-old case of the disappearance of the McStay Family.
The local family of four – Joseph McStay, 40, Summer McStay, 43, and sons Gianni, 4, and Joseph Jr., 3, seemingly vanished three years ago on the evening of Feb. 4, 2010. Penned by Rick Baker, the book, "No Good-Byes – The Mysterious Disappearance of the McStay Family" contains information and suggests scenarios that have not been made public by anyone else. But plenty of speculation has taken place.
"It’s not just me; it’s the number of people around the world that are addicted to this case," said Baker. "It’s amazing how many people talk about it."
The author said his concern is over the well-being of the McStay’s young sons and he has offered a $25,000 cash reward to anyone who will show him one of the four members of the family and allow him to take a photo.
"I haven’t had any takers yet and was maligned by all sides of the extended family for offering it," he said, but admitted he has been getting threatening phone calls.
"When word began to get out about my book being released, I started getting death threats from someone calling me from a blocked phone number," said Baker. "I tried to get the number un-blocked but my cell service provider couldn’t do it."
There could be many individuals that have a problem with Baker’s book. Based on his research, in tandem with a private investigation group, he has published copies of emails, other correspondence, and confidential bank records from the McStay’s accounts that he claims are authentic.
"The book is balanced and objective, and includes all the information we currently have available," said Baker. "At this point no family members will talk to me. Summer’s family just stopped talking. Joseph’s family became toxic, hateful. They made a concerted, strategic effort to trash me and my publisher to try and keep the book Advertisement
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In the days following the McStay’s disappearance, many media outlets called them a "typical Southern California family." Baker begs to differ by suggesting that:
• Family tension was high in various ways
• Summer was allegedly involved in a loan modification "scam"
• The possible "crime scene" at the house was compromised by family members.
• Summer was trying to purchase a homeopathic medication for anger management and her family said she "had issues"
• Summer had a bank account in North Carolina (perhaps $80-100K that her husband may not have been aware of)
• Summer was not happy with her life, age, heritage and appearance
• Money was transferred out of Joseph McStay’s account by at least two people following his disappearance
• McStay extended family members "looted" the home
• Law enforcement might be "biding their time" by not revealing everything they know
When asked what he thinks transpired, Baker simply said, "I do believe Joseph [McStay] is dead. I hope I’m wrong. Based on my research, it appeared Joseph worked very hard for his money; he wouldn’t leave it behind. Summer had no access to those accounts."
In his book, Baker also reveals the official findings from a complaint Joseph’s father, Patrick McStay filed with the County of San Diego Citizens’ Law Enforcement Review Board alleging the Sheriff’s Dept. did not correctly categorize the case, did not provide for proper investigation; withheld information from him; failed to respond to his email and telephone messages, and more.
It’s certain that Baker’s research and findings will provide more food for thought about an already puzzling case that thousands are fascinated with.
"As of Feb. 5, thousands of copies had already been sold," said Baker. "It is already #7 on Amazon’s Top 100. I am getting emails from all kinds of people – in the United States and Europe. "
Proceeds from the sale of the book, Baker said, will be donated to Texas EquuSearch, a non-profit organization that assists in searches for missing persons, and are not for his personal financial gain.
"For me, this case has always been about two innocent little boys who were forced to live out the consequences of their parents’ poor decisions in life."
|Mom of lots|
Comment #1 | Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Wow, I will be purchasing this book. It's understandable the families were upset as personal lives and problems were revealed in this book (all families have them), but it's disappointing at the same time that they do not see this as an avenue to keep their case alive and possibly bring their family back, if not, at least the grandchildren. I have always had an unpopular theory that Summer McStay was responsible as she had aliases in the past, lied about her age to her mother in law....and now I am reading she had a secret bank account in another state? Joseph has always appeared to be a "what you see is what you get kind of guy", but Summer doesn't seem totally stable. Not sure what happened, but the googling from the home computer on wether children need passports to get into Mexico the week prior to their disappearance says it all. Either Summer and/or Joseph are 100% responsible and either one or both left voluntarily.
|Mine Ours Theirs|
Comment #2 | Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:35 am
Same here Mom of Lots. I also feel that if the extended families on both sides cared about their children and grandchildren, cousins, sister, brother, they would give any information to writers, police, anything helpful to find their loved ones.
I know I would. I would do anything to help find my missing family even if it meant sharing very personal things. That these family members are angry with the investigation, books, police work, things released to the public just makes me believe that they all know something........portions and probably that the family is ok, or portions of the family is ok. Like Summer and her two sons, and the father is dead. But she could be fooling both families he is alive.
Its very strange that there is not single sighting of these people. Whatever they did to get away with what had to be alot of money to live this long, must have been well planned.
She did not have any access to his monies is another strange one which makes me think he knew she might kill him. But who ended up being able to get to his accounts with money? A brother? Someone who also looted the home?
I am sure the police know this and are keeping it under wraps, but THAT person would be seeing to getting money to these guys to stay on the run.
|Old Town Fallbrook|
Comment #3 | Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:18 am
This all seems so interesting to me. Dateline did a story about them and had evidence of Joseph contacting his old college friends. I remember the quote saying "If he doesn't want to be found, he won't be found". I think we all just hope that the kids are ok.
Comment #4 | Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:07 am
The only theory that makes any sense is that they are in the witness protection program and the family knows it.
|wondering in north county|
Comment #5 | Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:28 am
This is a true mystery and so disturbing because there are children involved, especially for the older son of Joseph as well left here to wonder where his dad is. The children had no choice in any of whatever went on with this family.
So many blogs and sites out there with all kinds of info and or speculation the common thread seems to be that Summer is at the root of whatever went down.
Comment #6 | Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:36 am
If they, or an individual in the foursome, is not dead then the Witness Protection Program is the next best bet, but when that happens not even your immediate family gets to be made aware of it... If that is the case then they were most likely involved / linked with some slim shady stuff...
Comment #7 | Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:25 pm
I agree with comment 4.
Comment #8 | Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:59 pm
In Re: "Dateline did a story about them and had evidence of Joseph contacting his old college friends."
I do not believe that statement is at all factual.
Comment #9 | Monday, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:33 am
Just finished reading No Goodbyes. The book does make a few revelations one of which is Joe's final cell phone call to Chase Merritt. For as long as I have been following this case I was thinking under the assumption that Chase actually spoke to Joe McStay. From the book we learn that only Joey's caller ID appeared on Chase's phone. Chase's testimony is that he saw the number on his caller ID then called Joe the next day. This would contradict any theory that Joe was under no duress when the family left their home an hour earlier. Joe's phone could have somehow 'buttdialed' Chase's number (especially if that number was a "last dialed.") I wonder if the police or FBI have conducted a test to see if Joey's specific model phone would have behaved this way if it was crushed or put under water. Might be worth trying.
Comment #10 | Monday, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34 am
Didn't they go to Mexico?
Comment #11 | Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:29 pm
I've often thought that #4's comment up above is correct. What aspects of this book are the families up in arms about? I don't believe, however, that they would be in a witness protection program given all of Summer's personal issues which almost appear to be bipolar related. Didn't Dateline mention that Joe had been feeling ill prior to this disappearance? Also, what about the car being found near the Mexican border and those strange, unexplainable toys which were purchased at Ross and found in the abandoned car? This family is the most sought after in the world; I don't believe that they could escape being sighted unless there were others helping them avoid detection but I don't believe it's witness protection.
Comment #12 | Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:43 am
It took us 11 years, a $Trillion, and just in our troops alone, over 5500 lost lives and 10s of thousands forever maimed and wounded physically and emotionally - to find UsamaBinLaden.
There's not enough "skin in the game," albeit a "mystery and tragedy," to find this family of four...(with respects to the innocent children victims ).
FUHS Class of '76
|This is so sad|
Comment #13 | Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:09 pm
I don't think anyone has the right to assume wrongdoing on the part of Summer McStay. So what if she changed her name? I changed my name when I got married. Then again after I got divorced. People can change their name. It's not against the law. Fallbrook never fails to have all the gossips speculating and trashing people they don't even know. I doubt that Summer McStay is bi-polar either. I love how you people spew bad views, but have zero basis for your arguments.
Comment #14 | Thursday, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:56 am
A likely scenario . . .
Have read and reread this book, I have come to some definite, at least for me, conclusions. I believe Joseph and Summer and possibly the entire family are dead. I agree with Rick Baker that the Trooper was probably in that parking lot since the day of the disappearance. I do not think this family voluntarily left their entire lives, family, house, cars, dogs and money so that Joe McStay would have more time for surfing! If law enforcement is holding to this belief then either one of two things is true . . . they are in witness protection and the police are not allowed to reveal it.(this outward posture would allow them to not have to do pointless investigation) or the police are totally inept and are failing to investigate properly.
I have always maintained that this case is probably either a straightforward abduction or car jacking. The McStays were either taken from their home at gunpoint or left the house hurriedly for a medical emergency (Summer or one of the boys taking ill) and later encountered their attackers. The phone call from Joey to his friend one hour later could certainly have been a desperate attempt by Joey to dial for help. (he had spoken to Chase earlier in the day so Chase's number may have been the only chance he had when reaching for the phone under duress)
So, despite all the stories of Summer being a whacko, family members not reporting them missing soon enough, the birthday party that wasn't, the condition of the house and all these extraneous matters it appears that this family was not unlike millions of other families we all know.
The McStays met with violence, the attackers may have simply needed their car after robbing a gas station. Another possibility is the children were grabbed. That video could indeed be the children and Summer' clothing.
I believe their bodies will be found! The place . . . right near where Joey's cellphone last pinged. For this case to be solved someone is going to have to step up.
Comment #15 | Thursday, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:38 am
I assure u they are not in the Witness Protection Program. There is no way the government (Witness Protection Program) would allow local law enforcement agencies to expend thousands of dollars and resources investigation and searching for this family if the federal law enforcement already knew where they were. Doesn't happen that way. If that were the case, the locals would be notified and the investigation would've been dropped along time ago.
Sometimes the most logical explanation is the correct one. Although the author introduces interesting evidence and theories, it appears that the family left willingly but in a hurry. Joseph apparently has his hands in a number of business opportunities, and likely got a lead on another - yet shady - business deal in Mexico. That was likely them crossing the border into Mexico, where they soon met their fate. Families who are trying to disappear would not leave $200k behind (you would need that $ if starting a new life), along with most of their personal belongings and medication. It's evident that they thought they'd be right back.
The only aspect that is odd, is their familys' behavior and unwillingness to cooperate with investigators and the writer. As stated in the book, most people would do everything they could do to faciliate an investigation into a missing loved one. Their lack of cooperation, and even hostility, are odd.
Comment #16 | Thursday, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:12 am
The families "attitude" is what leads me to believe that they are in witness protection and they know it. JB is correct though about local law enforcement being notified by the Feds if that were indeed the case. Do we really "know" that law enforcement spent thousands of dollars investigating the disappearance or are they just saying that they did?? There is more to this than meets the eye (clearly) but if they aren't in witness protection then, unfortunately, they are probably dead. There is a big reservation right next door to where the McStays lived, lots of places they could be buried. Nobody just "disappears" and leaves everything, including all their money, behind.
Comment #17 | Thursday, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:02 pm
For anyone, including the police, to believe the McStays voluntarily disappeared the following conversation would have to have taken place when Joey returned home at around 5PM.
JOE: "Hi Hon, what's for dinner?"
SUMMER: "I don't know how about running off to Mexico tonight?"
JOE: "Sounds great, should we take any money with us?"
SUMMER: "No that's okay I have a few dollars in cash."
JOE "Yeah, we don't need money, we have each other"
SUMMER "And you know we both hate our families and dogs, so let's just go."
Either the police are holding back positive proof they went voluntarily or they simply don't know which way to turn this investigation.
Another factor that mitigates against a voluntary departure is Joe and Summer's apparent economical lifestyle. They bought a home is an area which was more affordable, Summer 'shopped' for many of her purchases to get a good price, they didn't drive overly expensive cars, bought things on Craigslist. This is not a couple who decided to run away from home.
I do not intend to use this forum to argue . . . but the last few posts here could be helping the case along.
|Mom of lots|
Comment #18 | Thursday, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:33 pm
So far, JB's conclusions seem the least far fetched and the most likely to have happened.
@This is so sad- everyone has the "right" on here to come up with whatever their theory is. Who really cares anyways? We are just making guesses. Anyone that reads this would understand that. Our comments do NOT carry weight at all inmthe grand spectrum of things. It's called a discussion of thoughts and theories and were just the little people here.
Comment #19 | Tuesday, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:29 am
I find myself Googling once a month for an update on the McStays in the hope that something new has developed or indication that they are alive. I have always felt that the disappearance has something to do with Summer, but of course, could be wrong. If they are in the witness protection program, wouldn't somebody somewhere have recognized them -- the case has been so publicized. I agree with Jerry L about investigating where the cell phone last pinged but hasn't somebody done that already and if not why not? In looking at the video of 4 people crossing the mexican boarder, I do see the similarities of the boys and Summer but it does not look like Joseph. That is somebody else.
Comment #20 | Tuesday, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
I have studied the video, and I agree that from what we know, the man is much taller and thinner than Joseph.
Comment #21 | Wednesday, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:08 am
It is 430 pm here in New Zealand. At 3pm the network E! had the one hour show canisg The Family that Vanished' I do feel for your family Mike and I do agree with a lot of the comments above. The painter could have been the last person called from the cellphone near the bridge. I highly recommend that all evidence be looked through again and Im sure there can be some enhancement to the video recording at the border!What stood out to me is that your brother became very ill and his wife, who has many aliases, was in search for some medication to help with anger and also the fact she told your mother she was not a part of their family of four! I truly believe in my heart, Summer' is the culprit to all this and Joey has done this for her. Did Joey know Summer had these aliases? does the friend who got them together know this about Summer? Where is the painter now? I can not express enough how strong I believe Summer is behind all this.Is it possible they used different names and applied for Passports and flew from Costa Rica or Mexico to somewhere beyond the US/Mexico Coastlines? She is a mastermind and a controlling woman, I truly feel she has an evil presence within her and she is taking over the situation.I think also, they might of had young Jo's birthmark removed as it is very distinct to have such a birthmark on the forehead.It might help contacting some national, local and international surgeons who have done a birthmark removal procedure.Another thing that captured my attention were the dogs, It is very sad to know they were left unfed and unattended to.I truly adore animals and hope they have been taken well good care of. The friend, in the documentary near the end, who lives in Costa Rica-I think he has some thing to do with it.For some reason, his facial expression released an instinct to me sensing me he is not at all being truthful. He could be someone to investigate. Is it possible to get PHONE RECORDS of both Cell Phones, Joey and Summer. It can be doneI have a lot of ideas going through my mind right now and since watching the full screening of this family of four who went missing in 2010. Please do keep in touch with me as it will be very much appreciated. I know Im millions of miles away but I would like to help as much as I possibly can.All possibilities should be taken into action!I truly hope some day the young boys are found and your brother too.Love to all, god bless
Comment #22 | Saturday, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:32 am
Sadly Jerry L's comment above [no 14] will almost certainly prove to be correct - supposing any bodies are ever found. It will turn out to be a 'simple' home invasion and kidnapping, or car jacking, that went awfully wrong. The most usual answer to a mystery is the most straight-forward one. But that said, it does not stop us praying for the safe return of all four.
Comment Continued : The comment above was written from the same location.
Comment #23 | Sunday, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:46 pm
I suggest that a forensic accountant can check the store that the toys were bought,the store stated that they could not identify which of their stores the red sink and other toys were purchased(,and why buy boys a sink!!very strange,)surely the store can check all of the sales,they will have records etc,,I also agree that it is strange that a person uses 4 different names! why?? I also agree with the fact that the video does not look like Joe,the guy is a lot slimmer and taller,but I think it is Summer and the boys,also,as already said,why leave so much money in his bank account,and why no credit card purchase since there disappearance.
Comment #24 | Sunday, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:55 pm
also,how come his brother got in the open window,and did not report the state of the house to police,very strange
Comment #25 | Monday, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:43 am
Ok, I'm nearly finished with the book. VERY Interesting .... lots of details not previously revealed. Enough to change my theory of what may have happened. Without going into the details, although the author is implicating Summer, the evidence he presents indicates more so that the family - particularly brother Mike - had something to do with it, or knows what happened. Let's just say the 'crime scene' (house) was contaminated - looted, cleaned, etc., by Brother Mike and Mom ... before investigators declared it a crime scene. The police acutally had to order Mike to return the computer he took. The author suggests that Mike may have tampered with the evidence, deleting crucial messages and browser history, or even making it appear that they had left volunatarily. MIke and Joseph's business partner also apparently made several withdrawls and money transfers from Joseph's business account after the family disappeared. They either reik of guilt or greed. Very interesting .... read if you haven't yet.
Comment #26 | Wednesday, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:56 am
I have been following and studying this case for some time. Rick Baker's book has helped me form a more definite opinion about what happened to the McStay family. From my earlier posts here one can see that I believe the entire family is dead.
This case has been terribly compromised by law enforcement and the media. The number one factor contributing to this is the finding of the family car, the Trooper, near the Mexico border. The entire investigation seems to be based on the presumption that the McStay family drove the car to that location then was shortly thereafter captured on video walking into Mexico. This scenario raises more questions than it answers, the obvious one being "Where were they for four days?" prior to this. Law enforcement should be looking at the best evidence here . . . Mike McStay says it's not his brother on the video, no one can identify the family as having been anywhere in the area. Where did they eat? Sleep? Where did they change the kids' diapers? How did they purchase food, gas or diapers? Anyone with small children knows that traveling with them even for a short period of time is a lot of work. Since no diapers (either new or used) were found in the car and the video does not either of the 'McStays' carrying a bag I guest we can assume they decided to walk into Mexico right after the diapers ran out! If the McStays were planning to never return why were their cell phones not in the car? Why discard them in another location which could possibly give the police more clues? Why was the car locked? Rick Baker's investigation leads me to believe that the killers, not the McStays left the Trooper in that parking lot. Since the parking lot was known as a 'dump site' the killers probably knew that leaving the car there afforded them the most time to make their getaway.
So, where are the bodies?
For the answer, let me recount a missing person investigation from a few years back. Shannon Gilbert disappeared in the quiet community of Oak Beach, NY. late at night after a client call (she was apparently a prostitute.) Witnesses saw her 'running off into the night' in a remote, swampy, marsh area on Long Island's south shore. Subsequent searches for her turned up numerous bodies that had been dumped in the area. These became known as the Gilgo Beach murders. The case remains unsolved. Law enforcement conducted a massive search of the area . . . tracking dogs, helicopters, FBI special aircraft, foot patrols, and more. The result . . . no Shannon. But the answer was straight forward. Since there no was public transportation in the area, and no one reported picking her up as a hitchhiker, where was she? A year and a half later police decided to re search the area . . . her body was found a few hundred yards from where she was last seen and from where she last used her cellphone.
The search for the McStays should revert back to area where Joey McStay's cellphone last pinged. Although after 3 years there may not be any remains, I believe this is where the McStays will be found.
Comment #27 | Sunday, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:40 am
I work in Law Enforcement in America and can tell you 1000 percent this family is not in witness protection. Mike and Patrick, along with other relatives, would be told not to look for the family.
Comment #28 | Thursday, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:25 am
Well I don't work in law enforcement but it looks to me like this family left on their own and does not want any contact with their family. By now something would have turned up in the way of clues if any or all were deceased and it has not. Dead bodies can't hide but living ones can very easily avoid detection if they wish.
Comment #29 | Saturday, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:24 am
I believe that the McStays met w foul play in San Diego, their bodies transported out of the area and dumped in the desert in the U.S. Roving bands of carjackers or Satanists cruise our
ommunities, the motive for murder is not always profit.
Comment #30 | Friday, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:55 am
Regarding comment #28, I think it's harder to stay hidden if they are alive. At least three people, maybe four, including two children, have to have some interaction in public. Whether it's going for food or supplies, just getting out of the house, etc, there's movement. I highly doubt they are going to remain in a bunker underground and NEVER come up for air. Dead bodies if hidden well can stay hidden. Moving, live people especially a group of them - at some point are going to be seen.
Keep in mind, the area around the bridge was never searched.
Comment #31 | Saturday, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:35 am
Fascinating story. The subplot is the hacking of the emails. This creepy subculture of citizen sleuth stalkers is disturbing to say the least. The News Corp hacking scandal “hackgate” comes to mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation_scandal There, the phone of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler was hacked. The eventual scope of the hacking extended to 9/11 victims, plus family and friends of various other innocent people related to stories by default.
Closer to home, Christopher Chaney, the so called “Celebrity Hacker,” is serving a 10 year sentence. David Kernall was given a year for hacking Sarah Palin’s emails. If any or all of the McStay family is ultimately discovered as a victim, the hacking in this case ought to rise to the top of public awareness. There is something inherently wrong with invading victim privacy without license.
What a nightmare this must be for family and friends. Bonnie and Star donning stripes would be a loud and clear message. In the mean time, this family deserves our prayers.
Comment #32 | Sunday, Mar 31, 2013 at 7:23 am
Summer surely has something to do with this.. But I think that she told joseph a week before they dissapeared that they're in danger. And I believe that they thought that this is the only way to be safe. I'm not sure about the feds.. One thing is for sure either they ran away because they were in danger.. I read that there is a possibilty that summer killed joseph and is hiding now. Living the life of a unknown!
Comment #33 | Monday, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Read the book, blogs, TV shows etc, as I re-read and break down the basics the theory I believe is JM was needing to meet someone and thinking this would be a quick maybe pick up of a ck- or paying someone, I feel he prob had a quick errand and as kids do, they wanted to go with dad- it wasn't late, looks like they were having a snack - Summer might have been making breakfast for dinner and she could have either needed a ingredient so they all went together to do both things and return expecting to return shortly. Dogs were put out to get a bathroom break- and with kids in tow, off they went- I believe this was prompted by JM and business related because he did attempt to call his partner- perhaps the guy JM was meeting was late, or an argument over money escalated into a crime- leaving any witnesses likely the cause of all being killed- buried and whoever did this parked the car and prob went over the boarder. Back quickly to the computer search- perhaps this person JM was doing business wanted him to come to Mexico, this person convincing JM to start a business there so perhaps SM and JM were at least looking up information on future travel to Mexico as well as learning Spanish. I really believe this was business gone horribly wrong over money. JM's open and trusting nature sadly put him in the middle of a bad situation, tragically he happened to bring his wife and kids along for this what was believed on the JM/SM part a quick meeting. The people I the video crossing the boarder looked like all they had was a small plastic bag- not loads of cloths as also reported to be dropped on the floor in a hasty packing job by the couple- don't believe for a second JM would leave successful business, older son and be able to convince his wife to do the same- leave all family, esp her dogs. This was a tragic case of bad killers, and being in the wrong place wrong time.
Comment #34 | Tuesday, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:44 am
To Ng- if a killer had driven their car to the border there would have been a print, a hair or *something* and there was absolutely nothing foreign found externally and internally during inspection of the vehicle by law enforcement. Also the neighbor's video shows their vehicle leaving but the camera malfunctioned right afterward (according to Mike Mcstay) so we don't know if they returned to the house that evening or in the 4 days afterward before their Trooper was towed from the lot at the border.
Comment #35 | Tuesday, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:22 am
Why does "Summer" say: "I can't do this" on the video of the McStay family driving to their new home? Were Joseph's "unexplained headaches" possible poisoning? How long were they together? Only one person could have a motive to depart with her embezzled funds and the kids. The dogs and Joseph weren't part of the family of three... I don't mean to be typical but I just get a sick feeling in my stomach when I look at, or think of Summer. Or whatever you call yourself today... You are reading this aren't you?
Comment #36 | Tuesday, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Just saw the E! program with Lisa Ling. Lost an hour of my day because I could not quit watching. Surprised I had never heard of the McStay's before considering their circumstances. What I am most puzzled by is why would Joey leave his mom and more importantly his oldest son and NEVER make contact or do anything detectable by others to hint at wanting to disappear. Every family has it's issues and the McStays seem no different. As for Summer, even IF she had done something how could she have been so very successful without even a trace of evidence that she had done anything at all. Unless the mafia or similar criminal minds are at work here, the chance of any amateur(s) pulling off such a brilliant crime seems very very unlikely. Not even a clue....it is hard to believe. I hope against all hope that one day as the boys are older that they surface and someone identifies them. I still ponder why someone would disappear and not the very least tell your family you are okay--even if that includes telling them to butt out and never expect to hear from you again.
Comment #37 | Tuesday, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:55 pm
i have no real idea of what happened but based on the reluctance of the family to get involved maybe THEY do know what happened - perhaps this was a voluntary disappearance and the family DOES in fact know where they are
Comment #38 | Tuesday, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:49 pm
It's been three years and not a word not even one sighting. In the news an reports it says that Joseph's cell phone pinged in that canyon area. It could have been very well where their bodies were put or maybe just his or just the phone tossed. Either way people just don't vanish into thin air. Even the perfect murders get solved. Example Marth Moxley nearly 35 years later. I believe that Summer and Joseph are most likely dead but there is a pretty good chance those kids are alive. Probably being used for human trafficking. People make careers out of kidnapping. If those boys where sought they were being captured no matter what.
Comment #39 | Wednesday, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:10 am
I also agree with commentor #4.
Comment #40 | Wednesday, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:33 am
..I Like comment #35 "You are reading this aren't you?"
I bet she is reading this too !
I also like #33 comments, that makes sense to me —SEARCH the Bonsall Bridge area ... ????
Comment #41 | Wednesday, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:41 am
Alot of "Witness Protect Plan" comments, the case is now with FBI? Would they go to that extent to protect the family and announce the FBI is now looking into it to throw peeps off?? I don't get it?
I think they should RE- interview Joseph's family and Summer's side of the family so we could see what they have to say and their body language 3 years later....
Comment #42 | Wednesday, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:56 pm
I don't believe for one moment they are dead.
They are hiding in plain sight. the children are older and the parents have been living a nomadic life amoung the many homeless communities throughout the West Coast. Joseph looks nothing like he did previously he is 15lbs lighter and weather-beaten and gaunt. summer is now going by the name Maria Helena, and the family speaks Spanish fluently.
There was no psychotic break, no abduction, no foul play.
stop looking to the border, they are in and around the coastal area.
Comment #43 | Wednesday, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Now that I know more about Summer, I wonder if she has a boyfriend or a friend and together, they killed Joseph. This could be why it took four days before they crossed into Mexico and why the guy with Summer doesn't look like Joseph in the border crossing.
Comment #44 | Friday, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Comment #42 interesting... are you a psychic? I would like to hear more about your thoughts? It seems strange they had just moved to that home and was remodeling what happend that they decided to live on the streets ?
I guess your saying they did have to flee from some kind of danger and chose to to do what your saying??
Comment #45 | Tuesday, May 14, 2013 at 3:04 am
a certain individual close to this family knows the whole story. I believe the family is buried very close to home, after being lured to an area by a person of "trust". I don't believe the McStays ever went to Mexico and their car was left near the border in hopes that police would believe that they escaped there. The home was staged to make it look like they left in a hurry. I think the one who did this had a vendetta against Summer, especially. Perhaps Joseph did not wish to lend the killer any more money and Summer was very vocal and the strong force saying no. The killer probably did not wish to kill the children but felt like he had no choice. To leave them alive would lead the law quickly to his door. This person feels that he/ she is "safe'' from being caught since so much time has passed. However, I predict that an arrest will be forthcoming, when we least expect it.
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Comment #46 | Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Interesting thought Rose Briar. Do you think this person is a "known player" in the case? I believe the description you gave could fit a number of individuals in the McStay circle. Any more thoughts?