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Camp Pendleton announces impact of government shutdown


Tuesday, October 1st, 2013
Issue 40, Volume 17.
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CAMP PENDLETON - Due to the federal government shutdown, personnel and residents of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton may experience degradations in services and support from base agencies.

Within the western region (California and Arizona Marine Corps installations) 3581 employees are subject to emergency furlough.

Those excepted from furlough include employees who are required to provide crucial services that protect life, safety and property, provide essential range, training and air operations and those employees that provide necessary utility services.

Those exempted are employees funded by non-appropriated funds' sources.

All personnel (military and civilian) have reported to work today. Civilians not excepted will receive their official notices today and be placed on emergency furlough. Civilian employees will be allowed 3-4 hours today to turn on out-of-office email settings, set voicemails, and secure their work space.

Commissaries aboard base will be open Tuesday to sell remaining perishable items, but will be closed indefinitely starting Wednesday.

All Pass & ID offices will be closed.

For information regarding Marine Corps Community Services closures, please visit http://mccscp.com/shutdown.

Here are specific numbers of employees affected by furlough at Marine Corps installations within the western region:

Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton: 1163

Marine Corps Air Station Camp Pendleton: 34

Marine Corps Air Station Miramar: 328

Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego: 360

Marine Corps Air Station Yuma: 176

Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow: 238

Marine Air Ground Task Force Training Command 29 Palms (including Mountain Warfare Training Center Bridgeport): 1282

For updates regarding the impact of the government shut down on Camp Pendleton, please visit http://www.pendleton.marines.mil/UnitHome/GovernmentShutdown.aspx.


 

122 comments

Comment Profile ImageJoke
Comment #1 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:13 pm
What a joke our government is. Why don't they hold the pay for Congress as well, and I guarantee you that this will be resolved immediately.
Comment Profile ImagePeace
Comment #2 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm
The answer to ,"why don't they hold the pay for Congress as well" is written into the 27th amendment to the Constitution. And I believe there is no bigger joke then the U.S. Congress!
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #3 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm
I think the extremists in both the republican and democratic parties need to be brought into line by their parties leadership. For that matter there needs to be new leadership in both parties. Neither party is doing the best for the people of this country. This nation has moved forward when our leadership has compromised on issues and stagnated when it has clinged to ideology like it is now.

Remember the situation that we are now in during the next election........dump the T party extremists conservatives and the socialist leaning liberals and elect new leadership with some intellect and common sense regardless of party affiliation. We voted for these fools and now we have the government we deserved but we can fix it with our votes.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #4 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm
@FR86
By "We voted for these fools" who exactly is We?
It is not me or any hard working person I know.
We the People are in charge of Government and the People have obviously not been doing their job. To busy enjoying the good life, I suppose, and you are right about one thing -- Fixing the mess WE (meaning the freeloaders) created is going to be difficult.
Comment Profile ImageReality Checker
Comment #5 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm
FR86,
Where on Earth did you hear the Tea Party were extremists? I ask you, stop taking liberals definition of what the Tea Party is or isnt. No one that has direct knowledge of or was affiliated with the Tea Party would ever describe them as extremists. They are just for the rule of law, want an honest and open government, and are fighting against a governement that runs roughshod over its citizens in order to push a progressive agenda down thier throats. And, they are tired of being a piggy bank for special intrests. They just want to discuss and debate like reasonable people, but every time they try, they are mocked, ridiculed, called "teabaggers", called extremists, racists, and targeted by the IRS in an attempt to disrupt, disparage, discourage and demean them. They are your grandparents, your cousins, nephews, uncles, aunts, mothers and fathers. They are everyday, ordinary hardworking people trying to make it and dont like the idea of the governement involving itself in things it was never meant to be and doesnt need to be. As soon as someone throws the teabag card, it just goes to show how little respect for our neighbors they have. And how immature and juvenile people can be.
Comment Profile ImageBring it on
Comment #6 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm
I like this government shutdown idea. Maybe if it goes on long enough they will stop aiding to terrorist supporting countries. Maybe they will cancel the war. Maybe they won't be able to start new wars for awhile. There isn't a single thing that will affect me even if they stay shut down for a year or two.
Comment Profile ImagePeace
Comment #7 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:44 pm
@Bring it on Are you serious???? What cloud are you flying on? This is going to effect everyone. Go back and read the article again.....
Comment Profile ImageRedneck Bill
Comment #8 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Reality Checker,

I have conservative relatives, but not a single one is a "teabagger." In fact they all agree what is happening now, with a minority holding the majority hostage, as the tea party has done, is irresponsible in the extreme.

Just to check reality, the Affordable Care Act was passed and signed into law. In the last presidential election, Mitt Romney said if he was elected he would repeal the law. I know this is difficult for you and your teabagger buddies to accept, but he was defeated. Finally, with a Conservative majority, the Supreme Court ruled the Affordable Care Act constitutional.

The Tea Party doesn't want to discuss anything, they want to repeal a law that has basically been reaffirmed 3 times now.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook res.
Comment #9 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:43 pm
THE BASE was empty , I couldn't update my ID, had to go food shopping before the close tomorrow. Workers were sent home.
Comment Profile ImageEquestrian gal
Comment #10 | Tuesday, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Several years ago I went to a few meetings of the Fallbrook Tea Party thinking they were just a group of concerned citizens in favor of fiscal reform. Fiscal responsibility is certainly something we can all get behind. But I can assure you that is not their agenda. Their agenda is maintaining at all costs government paid for programs that benefit themselves exclusively. For example, anything that would in any way touch, even in the slightest, the Medicare benefits of the richest Americans they were absolutely against. Any discussion of expansion of this same Medicare to cover other Americans, lets say our deserving young people in college or just starting out in life was labeled "socialism" and totally off the table. They really are (in my opinion) nothing more than a bunch of self entitled blue hairs out to maintain their government entitlements at all costs. This group didn't want reform, they wanted to block it! Also this stuff that they spout about themselves not addressing social issues is just a bunch of baloney. These people made it really clear from the get go that their agenda was that Christianity was to be the guiding "light" of government policy whether fiscal or social. From what I gathered there's a total disconnect between their public pronouncements and their real goals.
Comment Profile Image@redneck
Comment #11 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:08 am
Romney losing had little to do with the healthcare and more with obama and immigration. from day one obama made him look like an evil 1 percenter though obama was living in reality througb fundraisers with celebrities and representation of samuel jackson scolding america to "wake the f..k up". obama ran with no clear message and just courted different groups such as gay marriage, low income to divide the country. I support the stopage but because the spending is out of control. I dont agree with the healthcare but it would fail either way even if implemented. what annoys me most is how obama has tried his hardest to divide. throws anyone thats against his agenda under the bus, fellow americans not just politicians. I never thought id see the day where the president would look so disrespectful to its own citizens. hes stubborn and everyone wants to ignore the democrats will not negociate. you used that romney lost cause of the healthcare but why did democrats lose control of the house after passing the bill?
Comment Profile ImageLettuce Get Along
Comment #12 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:15 am
Equestrian Gal has no idea what she's talking about. I hate to call her a liar, but how could she be so off base?
Comment Profile ImageBring it on
Comment #13 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:45 am
@comment #7 - I re-read the article and I stand corrected. You were right. I will be affected by the less traffic going in and out of the base will improve my commute time. Nice.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #14 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:13 am
The teaparty is comprised of blacks, whites, asians, Americans with Mexican heritage, young, old and inbetween, rich, poor, middle, not just a "bunch of blue-hairs". Equestrian gal, I think you listened to the POTUS and did not really look. As we all know, any one that opposites him is deemed to be radical, mentally ill or a terrorist.
Comment Profile ImageSB
Comment #15 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:36 am
This is where political party divisions get us. No attempt on the part of the Tea Party to negotiate, no compromises, in a government that has always survived best by working together. The ACA is a huge compromise to conservative interests, and they still reject it! HR 676 would have been better, more in line with liberal thinking, and would not have fed the same corporate monsters who refused to provide care to so many in the first place. The Heritage Foundation came up with this plan, but now the Tea Party doesn't want it either. They don't want working Americans to have access to health care, apparently. They constantly obstruct getting anything done, and do nothing themselves. This is a perfect example of how they operate. All or nothing. That doesn't work in a system like ours. It's time for the Tea Party to either grow up and learn how to live in the real world, or go away.
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Comment Profile ImageSB
Comment #16 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:41 am
Aren't the commissaries non-appropriated fund facilities? Is it because they're on base that they're closing?
Comment Profile ImageBring it on
Comment #17 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:50 am
You people are a bunch of chicken littles. This is not the first time the government has been shut down and it won't be the last time. This is exactly the reason you shouldn't have the government running anything except vitally important things on a national level. You don't want anything that is "too big to fail".
Comment Profile ImageReality People
Comment #18 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:56 am
You people are all the problem! You are worried about the "Federal Government" When you can't even fix a little village. Gang's run a muck, Druggies dope up in the open. The village is falling apart and you guys are worried about everything else. Lot's of empty shops around to in just a little village. You argue, point fingers, instead of pulling in resources and coming together! If we can't fix a little village. How can this great country be fixed?
Comment Profile ImageKent
Comment #19 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:01 am
I went to one of the Fallbrook Tea Party meetings and I have to agree with #10 above. Unless you re a white evangelical Christian, they consider you "the enemy". I was told by one of the meeting's organizers that night that the US Department of Education's major purpose was to promote abortion and turn young white men into homosexuals in an attempt to reduce the percentage of white people in the country. After engaging with this guy and a few others with similar whacko theories about Obama being Muslim and hearing Obama called "our mulatto in chief" I decided to leave and never come back. One of my best golfing buddies is black and one of my best employees ever is a gay woman. I'm not fond of our current President and voted for Romney but I just won't associate with this kind of prejudice. As a Republican, I just want my party back and am fed up with these clowns highjacking it.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #20 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:14 am
To Reality Checker,

The "Tea Party" and its views cannot be described in any other way than extremist..................much of the agenda they have is consistent with the 1820s or earlier. They have presented nothing in the way of solutions other than saying no. It's a shame that the leadership of the republican party has chosen to let them dictate their persona as being the ideology of the current republican party. If the leadership of the GOP doesn't get some backbone and stop being intimidated by them there will no longer be a GOP.

On the flip side the democratic party needs to stop perpetuating the Obama extreme left agenda or it will go as well.
Comment Profile ImageAwesome!
Comment #21 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:19 am
I'm good with the stoppage. I suppose it hits some in Fallbrook and San Diego harder than other places because of the dependence on civilian military jobs. If this is you - I hope you were preparing.
Obama says the stoppage is high jacking the economy. Well there is statement # 1 proof positive that he thinks that the government runs the economy. That is either deluded or rhetoric and I'm more on the side of latter. Businesses, primarily small to medium size, run this economy - NOT THE GOVERNMENT. I think that the reason Obama was re-elected is just as mentioned above; complete political pandering (Chicago style) to small minority groups.
There are young people out there that think they are going to get free health insurance. Well, I hate to break it to you the whole system depends on milking the young, because they don't get sick, in order to pay for the care of those of us mature folk that do or will need health care in the near future.
Comment Profile ImageJohn
Comment #22 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:29 am
Don't know if they're entitled to it or not, but any Congressman who accepts a paycheck until this is solved is a skunk who needs to be watched ... carefully.
Comment Profile ImageMore
Comment #23 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:18 pm
White House kitchen is fully staffed, just in case the Divider-in-Chief wants a midnight snack
Comment Profile ImageIgnorant American
Comment #24 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:36 pm
@Bring it on. The cost of this shutdown is nearly $1 billion per week. Who do you think pays that bill? It affects everyone. If this isn't obvious to you maybe you should do some basic research in economics and educate yourself. Have a good day.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #25 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Folks, do you NOW FINALLY see who the government serves? I'll give you a hint: it AIN'T WE, THE PEOPLE! It's the almighty military-industrial complex (hint, see above), and ALL politicians and federal employees. Federal employees go without pay for ONE -- I repeat -- ONE day and all heck breaks loose! WE, THE PEOPLE, many who have been unemployed for ONE, TWO or SEVERAL . . . YEEEEARS have had to endure this and that is PERFECTLY OK. But when it is federal employees or our almighty military-industrial complex, oh boy, all HECK breaks loose!

And look at our military-industrial complex. They use pulling-on-your-heartstring tactics ranging from anything from showing disabled veterans not receiving their benefits (WHO, READ MY LIPS, THEY SHOULD RECEIVE THEIR BENEFITS!!! IT IS THE REMAINING 95% OR SO OF OUR MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WHO ARE RIDING THE DISABLED VETS' TAILCOATS, HIDING BEHIND THEM AND ARE USING THEM *DISGUSTINGLY* AS, AGAIN, PROPAGNDA TO HIDE BEHIND IN ORDER TO GET FREE YOU-KNOW-WHAT!!!) to WWII vets stormin' through yellow tape of their . . . "Disneyland" also known as the National WWII War Memorial! And, of course, what these WWII, as are ALL vets, do not realize, is that by showing them on TV as propaganda, Uncle Sam and our military-industrial complex propagates . . . the Status Quo : killin' is a great, acceptable and the ONLY way how to resolve a conflict! And the cycle continues.

So, my dear fellow Fallbrookers and Americans, do you now FINALLY see who the REAL sector of our society is who have the TRUE sense of entitlement?! Do you now FINALLY see this?! It is our government and our almighty military-industrial complex who are the REAL government-breast suckers! THEY are the ones who demand -- think about the outrageousness -- DEMAND free you-know-what! And if that free you-know-what stops, . . . well just turn on your TV at this VERY moment to see the non-stop, adolescent complaining! THIS is what happens, folks, when we have "bottle fed" this sector of society with the showering of ALL this money! They have an inconceivably difficult time being weaned off the WE, THE PEOPLE's bottle! They DEMAND free stuff!

And, do you believe for an instant that WE, THE PEOPLE will, in turn, NOT have to pay taxes, for example? Are you kidding me?! Of course not! We will continue to have to fork over taxes no matter what! And this brings me/us to THE point of this entire situation:

We don't need governance; what we need is COORDINATION!

That's what WE, THE PEOPLE need! And TODAY, that is absolutely no problem! NONE! Please let me explain.

See that little rectangular thaaaang lying right next to you? Yeah, THAT thaaaaang! That's right . . . your smartphone/iPhone. THAT thaaaaang. That thaaaaaaaaang is MORE powerful than ALL the computers combined that sent the first man to the moon a few short decades ago. (I'm pretty sure that's an accurate statement. Certainly, our current PCs are more powerful than ALL the computers combined back then who sent the first man to the moon! Think about that, folks, that is INCREDIBLE!) So, this little thaaaaaaaaang is an EXTREMELY powerful tool . . . for communication . . . among WE, THE PEOPLE! Therefore, today we HAVE reached the paradigm-shift of NOT needing government but being able to coordinate things amongst . . . ourselves. Sure we can.

And sure it'll work just fine . . . for those who are itchin' to reply with the usual scare tactics. Ever heard of Belgium? Yes? No? Well, guess what, they didn't have a government for an entire YEAR and guess what . . . they made it just fine. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me. I bet you didn't even hear of it, did you? Of course not. We have to keep a good secret, well, secret. Oh sure, there were bumps in the road, but my point is that life went on just fine . . . unless you believe that all Belgians died. And Belgium dropped off the face of the earth. And so forth.

Neither happened.

And guess what? Our lives will go on JUST FINE without our Uncle Sam . . . and without the funding of our mafia, the military-industrial complex, that does nothing but kill people around the world and create strife. (WE, THE PEOPLE recently told Obama to shove yet another military offensive, this time Syria, you-know-where!) Remember? We are TIRED and WEARY of war!) WE, THE PEOPLE can NOW coordinate, well, everything, by ourselves with quite the greatest of ease.

"Hey Joe, when do you want me to deliver the lumber?"
"Hmm, tomorrow, Roberto."
"OK Joe, see you manana."

A GROSS over-simplification but none-the-less an accurate one which BEAUTIFULLY illustrates not needing government. (And no, heck and chaos will NOT break loose! Far from it! We have chaos NOW.) And this concept is NOT new at all, of course. Ask any mid-western farmer about the concept of help, and he will tell you that he could NOT survive without his neighbor's help! Go ahead, ask them. YOU and I, WE, THE PEOPLE, do NOT need Uncle Sam! It is a lie that has been stuffed down our throats for THOUSANDS of years! We have been brainwashed with it. Again, all we need is communication . . . and today we have that.

And, of course, what is THE first thing to be censored by a government? Communication, of course, what else? Remember how the social media was censored or even blacked out during the recent Arab Spring? Why? Well, so that WE, THE PEOPLE CANNOT unite! It's that simple. Iran does it. Russia does it. And, yes, we do it, too, surprise, surprise: welcome to PIPA and SOPA . . . and the NSA reading our chat rooms, emails and listening to our phone conversations. (I hope they read this very comment!) And, folks, do you know WHY a government censors its people?

Because they are scared, REEEEEEEEEEEALLY scared that should, WE, THE PEOPLE, actually UNITE, HUGE, HUGE and GREAT changes can be brought about by WE, THE PEOPLE. Just look at Egypt! Here is a nation that until two years ago did NOT have democracy, and once they finally united, THEY did. (OK, within one short year, they also learned the bitter lesson what a bunch of crud democracy CAN be.) And so, WE, THE PEOPLE took to the streets again and removed Morsi.

Voila! Very simple.

WE, THE PEOPLE, can do this, folks! And PLEASE do not be afraid of the scare tactics my comments will undoubtedly bring!!! Oh boy, will they!

UNCLE SAM, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE STAY SHUT DOWN and listen to WE, THE PEOPLE! Oh, wait a minute: they never do.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #26 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm
@SB - #16, no the commissaries are funded -government workers etc, the BX is non-apporitated funds, run by MCCS.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #27 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:40 pm
@ #6 & #13 Bring It On

I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #28 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I have an idea, why don't ALL federal employees and the personnel of our military-industrial complex . . . get a REAL job in the REAL world where they have to compete with other folks, and do all that stuff? Why not? Why don't they get a 401k like the rest of us instead of guaranteed pensions? Why not? (Or, why don't WE, THE PEOPLE also get guaranteed pensions like they do? Why not? I think that's a great idea.)

Oh, wait a minute, they wouldn't get GUARANTEED free stuff . . . that you and I pay for. Never mind.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #29 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:47 pm
To Preston,

Unless you didn't vote or all your candidates lost you certainly are responsible for some of the criminal elite that are members of the congress,senate or executive branch. So you are part of the we!!!

FR86
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Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #30 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I agree with Congressman Garcia of Florida...........the extreme right Tea Party Republicans are acting like the Taliban.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #31 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Lee, if being in the military is so easy and people do it just for the free stuff, why haven't you done it?

You too could miss years of your children's lives while being shot at or dodging IED's, miss the births of those children, anniversaries, Christmases, birthdays, the funerals of family members and people you watched die in front of you. You too could live in conditions for months a time that people in third world countries would find abhorrent. You too could give up the chance to own a home, sacrifice your spouse's odds of ever having a career of their own to earn a pension from, sacrifice your children growing up in a "normal" neighborhood with people they've known for more than a few years, or even attending the same school for more than a couple of grades. You too could watch your children grow up knowing their cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents as almost strangers you visit once a year if you're lucky.

I haven't been offended by anything you've said up until this point because I figure you just have a few screws loose and too much time on your hands. But to say that military people do not EARN their paychecks or their retirements is one of the most offensive things I've heard come out of your ignorant rantings. Walk a mile in those shoes, lee (or 20+ years) and then I think you might change your tune. But I honestly don't think you'd even make it a mile.
Comment Profile ImageThomas Jefferson
Comment #32 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:17 pm
The US Department of Education has furloughed 94% of its staff. Spokesman says if the shutdown goes for more than a week, it will create a backlog of paperwork associated with distributing government funds/grants to public schools, which will affect the daily operations of public schools...no $$ = no pay for staff, no $ for sports programs, no $ for bus transportation, etc. Those republicans who are playing this silly game don't worry, though...their kids all go to private school.

On another note, I love the way that Fox News is trying to marginalize the shutdown by calling it a "slimdown" - as if just the "fat" has been trimmed. Not to mention the incessant editorialized stories and opinion pieces they run that try and point the blame for the shutdown on Obama. Their readership/viewers eat this up and vomit it back up whenever challenged about their point of view. Tea Partiers included.
Comment Profile ImageCheck it out
Comment #33 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Not much difference between Congress and Unions. Union bosses vote to go on strike, then retain their fat paychecks while the workers go for weeks, sometimes months, without pay. Those on top always win and those on the bottom get the short end of the stick. What else is new.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #34 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm
@Lee, your rant hit on some good points- 1) reduce the size and scope of the government, agreed. No federal welfare, no federal handouts and earned income credits, no federal health insurance. No federal gun laws, no federal agriculture department to ensure our food is safe- we will trust our neighbor in Mexico to send safe stuff; no federal health department to ensure the giant phara. companies are safe, no border patrols, no FAA - let anyone fly where ever they want, don't control the airspace, no police (they are government - let the bloods, crips, Fallbrook local gang protect the streets, no courts - you and your neighbor cooperate over problems, no wars, no protection, no consumer protection. Great ideas, all. Of course the strong, armed men will rule and the weak will serve - I know which i am, and i suspect I know which you are.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #35 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Left wing extremists like you are the what the House is have to deal with in the Senate. Unfortunately you and those liberals like you in the Senate never learn the lesson that you make fools of yourself when you play the blame game when it is actually liberals who are actually blocking an agreement due to their inflexibility. Senile and Insane Harry Reid is the problem. Obama has modified ObamaCare through executive order about 20 times. Why must it be off the table for even a whiff of negotiation?
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Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #36 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:54 pm
My comment above was directed at the left wing, frothing mouthed extremist named FR86.
Comment Profile ImageJim
Comment #37 | Wednesday, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I get tired of hearing that the republican right are extremists.They are moderates when compared to Obama,Reid and Pelosi.
The republican right are willing to stand up for what they believe where other republicsns are just rinos warming seats in congress just worrying how to get re-elected in the next election.
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #38 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:39 am
@Seriously Comment #31:
Lee couldn't cut it in the military, they would laugh him out of the recruiting office.

Interestingly enough, the government shut down and the world didn't stop spinning on it's axis. I think that Comment #33 is right on. Not much difference between this shut down and a union mandated strike.
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #39 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:44 am
@ FR86
My contempt is not with any particular candidate but with We the People for not properly managing any of them.
Comment Profile ImageWrenchers
Comment #40 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:31 am
"Unless you didn't vote"

You mean for the lesser of two evils?

To quote Bob Dylan: "Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king."
Comment Profile ImageDon't play their game
Comment #41 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:47 am
Don't give the trolls on here satisfaction by responding to their liberal madness and outlandish comments. They are simply trying to get a rise out of you with extreme comments that have no merit and then sitting at the edge of their chair waiting for you to respond. Ignore the children of the Internet who cry for attention and they will slowly disappear.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #42 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:21 am
To Fallbrook Fan,

Your tirade towards me is typical of a right wing extremist and couldn't be more off the mark...........a liberal I'm not.

My comments are directed at extremists of both persuasions including you. Extremists always resort to their ideology as the justification for their actions and you are no exception. You, Harry Reid, and Mullah Omar all have one thing in common. YOU CAN"T THINK
Comment Profile ImageBoomer
Comment #43 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm
There is something that we all need to agree on and that is the collapse of the dollar. It's coming soon people and we need to stand together no matter what our differences because we will need each other. The collapse of the dollar is inevitable. The new world order is moving forward and we are not in their best interest. This gov. shut down is nothing compared to whats coming. If you get the chance please check out "The Corbett Report" web site. All facts and no bs.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #44 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:49 pm
To FR86, your immaturity at being called on your shenanigans is typical for liberals. You love to slander conservatives with your left wing this and that and then when called on it, you deny that you are liberal. You are a liberal and you won't admit it!!!! How refreshing!!! Nice try.
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Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #45 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:52 pm
FR86: Its about time you learned that conservatives and Tea Party supporters aren't "right wing extremists". We are Constitutional Centrists. You and others who have views far left of ours are in direct opposition to the Founding Fathers and their wishes for this country.
Comment Profile ImageDR DR
Comment #46 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:11 pm
@Boomer - that is what I've been preaching on the VN blogs for months now... the dollar is collapsing and you all better be prepared. Japan, China, Russia and 3 others are meeting WITHOUT the US, creating their own new standard dollar.

The shutdown is because WE won't agree with OBAMACARE which we DIDN'T EVEN GET TO VOTE ON THE STUPID THING. There is a hidden 4% tax on everything purchased to pay for it. So if you think you were going to get some free healthcare - you are paying for it in other ways, every item will be 4% higher.
Comment Profile ImageAnother Jim
Comment #47 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:04 pm
I wonder how long these Tea Party types will continue with their little tantrum? I guess if their message is that if you can't get your way at the ballot box or in the courts you should just hold the rest of us hostage.
Comment Profile ImageEvergreen
Comment #48 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Enough of these Tea Party kooks. They need to be voted out of office ASAP!!
Comment Profile Imagejust reading along
Comment #49 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Fallbrook Fan: I've read numerous things posted on here by Fr86 for a while now. I hardly think Fr86 is some type of left wing extremist as you say he is. He or she seems pretty conservative to me given all his dislike of Obama and his other comments on other topics. Perhaps more socially moderate but nevertheless pretty conservative in every other way.
Comment Profile ImageLeila
Comment #50 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Hopefully when the next election rolls around people will wake up and vote for neither a Democrat or a Republican. Vote independent and we wont have so much stupid political game playing going on. People are afraid to vote Independent because they think the Independents aren't going to get enough votes for the win. If you are sick of the Democratic vs Republican bickering, vote for none of the above and vote Independent. So many people vote for the party rather than the person, because they are loyal to their party, yet the party doesn't have the public's best interests at heart, just their own special interests.
Comment Profile ImageThomas Jefferson
Comment #51 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:00 pm
#46 DrDr -

#1 "Obamacare" (The Affordable Care Act) is a law. Laws are not voted upon, they are legislated by representatives the people vote into office.
#2 "Obamacare" (The Affordable Care Act) is not "free". Nobody has ever said that anyone is going to get "free healthcare". It's "Affordable" healthcare - there is a cost involved.
Comment Profile ImageNo time for teatards
Comment #52 | Thursday, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends
Comment Profile ImageBring it on
Comment #53 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:42 am
Boomer's comment #43 is the only comment here worth the electrons it took to transmit it. The government is like a drug addict, addicted to debt. A few weeks ago even Bernanke had to acknowledged that the addiction to QE is so severe, he can't even try to taper it down. The train left the station five years ago and the dollar's crash is going to happen sooner or later. Delaying the crash just makes the wreckage bigger and more painful to cleanup. The government knows it's coming and they are prepared for the rioting but don't think that they are going to rescue your sorry butt. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worse.
Comment Profile ImageTHE PURGE IS REAL
Comment #54 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:40 am
the purge will happen very shortly because of this you have 24 hours to do anything you want officially From the desk of A Future President
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #55 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:30 am
To Just Reading Along;

Your comments are appreciated and you are correct. If there is one thing I am against it's irrational extremism in any form be it political, social, or religious.

We have been given free will and the ability to think but some have lost these capabilities.

FR86

To Fallbrook Fan

The Village News did not list my response to your last tirade. I commend the FVN.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #56 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:06 am
I have to say that the pictures on the news last night of all the IRS agents picketing and complaining about not getting paid, didn't exactly break my heart.
Comment Profile ImageSB
Comment #57 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:12 am
If thinking that everyone deserves access to medical care at a reasonable cost makes me a left wing extremist, then I have no problem with being called that.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #58 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:39 am
"Just reading along" This isn't the first time FR86 has intentionally put "right wing" in front of the term conservative or Tea Party. I have yet to see them ever use the term "left wing". He/she uses the term "right wing" when referring to conservatives, Tea Party members and Christians to make it appear that our views are extreme and marginalized. It is purposeful and a liberal technique used in the media. How often do you hear the term "left wing" in the media? Rarely happens because they don't want to make any liberal views appear marginalized. The same can't be used for the term "right wing". If FR86 wanted to be objective and not slander those with views to the right of hers/his, then maybe I would respect their opinion. As it stands now, I won't stand for the purposeful and consistent attempt by them to make any conservative or Christian opinion appear extreme.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #59 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:20 am
@21 Yeh, right! Young people don't need health insurance. I mean we never get sick. Don't need medicine, never need to step foot inside an emergency room or see a doctor. Young women never need to receive a pap smear, terminate a pregnancy or receive other reproductive health care. Young women or their children never need pre or post partum health care either. Also let's get something straight, Obama wasn't elected because of small minority group support, he was elected and re-elected because the majority of the electorate voted for him (despite an orchestrated right-wing, racist Republican led effort to disenfranchise POC voters).

Obama is a centrist. I'd much prefer if we had a more, MUCH more progressive president. But this is what we got and it's much better than what we would have under a Mitt Romney Administration. I also wish we could have had single payer health care in this country. Had it not been for the sad fact that the for-profit health care industry owns a significant portion of our Congress, we might have been able to accomplish this.

I hope this time the President develops a backbone and uses it when dealing with these right-wing, tea bagging, Republican thugs. If he caves on this like he did the last time around budget negotiations, he will have lost all credibility with his base (or should I say, remaining base of support).
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Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #60 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:24 am
PS-Does anyone know if Rep. Michele Bachmann will continue to receive her big farm subsidy checks now that she and her fellow tea baggers have succeeded in shutting down our government? How this woman can live with herself after attempting to deprive some of our most needy and vulnerable citizens of food by curtailing food stamp benefits while under the same appropriations bill supporting her family's continued hand outs (now totaling more than $250,000) is beyond me.
Comment Profile ImageCurious
Comment #61 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 11:44 am
@Carla: I'm wondering why you didn't take umbrage with Lee, Comment #25, it seemed a lot worse than Comment #21. Is it because it was made by someone with whom you usually agree?
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #62 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Carla: You are apparently a far left winger if you consider Obama a centrist! It is our incompetent President and the Democrats that are shutting down the government. As of this morning the Republican controlled House has sent 4 budgets to the Senate for full funding of the government without ObamaCare funding. Every time it is rejected by the Democrats. If the Democrats really wanted to resume full government services, they easily could. They would rather moan and groan and blame the Republicans for a government shut down. Obama has unconstitutionally via Executive Order modified ObamaCare 17 times to benefit his cronies, union buddies and campaign contributors. He did so without any input or vote or discussion with either the House or Senate. So, what was voted on (with the votes bought with $3 billion dollars of useless pork) is vastly different that what is law now. So, all left wing hypocrisy aside, don't you feel its fair to negotiate with the Republicans on terms of a bill that Obama has already drastically changed? All that the Reps are looking for is the individual mandate to be pushed back a year, just like the employer mandate that he pushed back a year for his campaign contributors.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #63 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:28 pm
To Fallbrook Fan

I'm a former Marine Officer (white/male) with combat experience in Vietnam
I'm an executive with a medical company in Orange County and make a 6 digit salary with health benefits
I'm a member of the NRA (20 years)
I'm a registered Republican and have been since college which makes me anything but a liberal
I drive American made vehicles and ride American Quarter Horses
My children attend USC and Notre Dame (which makes me a Catholic and Christian)
I have a gardener that is a minority

What are you?

FR86
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #64 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm
SB: I agree with you that everyone should have access to medical care at a reasonable price. There are private solutions to that problem. All you have to do is eliminate the one federal law that prohibits selling health insurance policies across state lines. That's it, pure and simple and everyone in America would have access to all 55 health insurance companies that Congress uses at far lower costs than ObamaCare can ever even imagine. Its far too simple a solution and not a big enough power grab for the Democrats to have been even considered.
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Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #65 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:04 pm
FR86: are you expecting a pat on the back????? What kind of self serving post was that? I really don't care what your demographics are. Just because you are a registered Republican doesn't mean that you aren't a liberal. In fact that's where the entire Republican party is headed. So, just stop slandering every opinion to the right of you with "right wing" and we are cool.
Comment Profile ImageQuinn
Comment #66 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
In regards to this article regarding the shutdown of Camp Pendleton, you mention that:

"Those excepted from furlough include employees who are required to provide crucial services that protect life, safety and property, provide essential range, training and air operations and those employees that provide necessary utility services."

I believe more discussion on the psyche of Americans during this point in time should be put into future articles. This would allow for a much more refined topic, as well as provoke future action and discourage the general sense of apathy that has arisen. At this moment, 72% of Americans oppose shutting down many of the government facilities due to the Obamacare bill being put into action. Unfortunately, those in congress have failed to represent this staggering figure, as this shutdown has since commenced and thousands of civilians have been furloughed without pay.
With more of a focus around the misinformation that is rampant in this country, we may be able to solve the issue entirely.
It's time to give American citizens the tools they need to become informed, and through this new-found knowledge, elect officials that actually represent the American people.

Quinn Casey
Comment Profile ImagePink
Comment #67 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:14 pm
I'm not sure which is worse. Healthcare controlled by insurance companies or healthcare controlled by the government. Do you want an insurance executive deciding whether or not you need that operation or a politician? Either way the patient loses. I would like a health plan where a doctor is allowed to make a decision about my health. Is that too much to ask?
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #68 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:14 pm
To Fallbrook Fan,

Answer the question and stop being such a windbag.

FR86
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #69 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:20 pm
FR86: Wind bag? You appear to like calling me names! That leads me to be more assured that you're a liberal. I want the same healthcare plan that I have now, with doctors deciding what course of care I need. I don't want some incompetent government beaurocrat deciding. I want access to the 55 health care programs that Congress has access to. Why do they exclude themselves FR86? They know that the care won't be as good as what they are getting now. Why has Obama exempted over 3000 of his cronies and campaign contributors from his plan? As far as you being a good Catholic and Christian is concerned aren't you the same FR86 who called all Christians that opposed gay marriage based on the Bible "right wing conservative Christians"? Nonetheless, I hope your daughter is enjoying playing tennis for Notre Dame.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #70 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm
To Fallbrook Fan

See Previous message #68 with the added words "Right wing extremist religious Wind Bag"

P.S. My daughter doesn't play tennis
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Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #71 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm
To Fallbrook Fan,

I got it. I know why you won't answer my question you're really Speaker John Boehner aren't you................I knew it.

FR86
Comment Profile ImageJim
Comment #72 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Obama has kept the white house kitchen open even though other govt. employees are on furlough. I guess white house chefs are deemed essential government workers because Michelle can't cook.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #73 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Carla, please explain how the “racist Republican” tried to disenfranchise voters, (I mean legal American Citizens). And, how, by trying to live up to Martin Luther King's dream "judge me not by the color of my skin" we are racist? Seems to me that the Democrats are much more institutionalized as racist - ever program they come up with seems to be saying that Blacks are not able to match white people. (NOTE: This is not my beliefs, but the democratic party)
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Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #74 | Friday, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:37 pm
@FR86, I, also am retired Marine, also Viet Nam vet, NRA Disabled American Veteran, Order of the Purple Heart, and VFW member, registered republican, christian, both children have advanced degrees and I make $90K base (for what ever that all is worth) and I have to agree with Fallbrook Fan, your words more than your association seems to indicate that you are a liberal. Remember the old posters "If you were accused of being a Marine, is there evidence enough to convict you". I am not sure, from your view points you bring up here that there is enough evidence to convict you or being a conservative.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #75 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:10 pm
To Grunt et.al.

I have stated my position on "issues" and on some of them I may be on the liberal side on others the conservative..........that means I CAN THINK and choose whatever position I want to take and on some of them I lose because the majority of voters went the other way......and I have to accept that. That's called a democratic system.

I really don't give a horses @#$ what you want to call me.
Comment Profile ImageLabels
Comment #76 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:42 pm
FR86 - you might get less guff from others if you called yourself an independent, which is what you sound like from your posts. Not that it matters, but it saves arguments.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #77 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:17 pm
@ Labels - amen.
Comment Profile ImageI found it!
Comment #78 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:41 pm
The perfect place for Liberals....PRISON
Equal treatment
Equal meals
Equal rights
Equal entitlements
Equal guards for everyone
Exactly where the USA is headed
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #79 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 9:35 pm
@Curious. You're welcome to your opinion that Lee and I have similar viewpoints. I don't agree. There may be some very basic similar observations that we might share on certain things however our individual reactions and conclusions as to how to address these are markedly different and therefore no common political view is possible. On other issues we don't even share a common basic observation or joint premise. If you would like to support or refute Lee's positions as you understand them, or seek clarity as to what they may be then YOU should do so with HIM. I on the other hand will continue to address comments based upon criteria of my own choosing. Comment #21 drew my attention because of its mention of young people and health care and I therefore chose to respond to it.

@Fallbrook Fan seems to have gotten the idea that I'm a far left winger. Moi? A left winger? rofl !!!!! Let's see...I'm an avowed socialist, an adherent to most classical Marxist economic analyses and somehow Fallbrook Fan has now come to the profound conclusion that I'm a leftist? Fallbrook Fan, I must say that your deductive reasoning skills are extraordinary. One has got to get up preeetty early in the morning to get one over on old Fallbrook Fan, that's for sure! lmfao!!! Listen, seriously!! I totally admit to being on the left of probably something like 99% of the American electorate. I'm way to the far, far left of the majority of Democratic Party voters and am on the far left of even the vast majority of Democratic Party activists. I freely admit to what I am and to where I stand on issues. I wear my politics on my sleeve and am proud of it. I think you'd be well to do the same. You're a fascist, a right-wing reactionary and a theocrat. No need to be shy. Just own up to what you are.

And just because my politics are on the extreme left doesn't necessarily mean my perceptions of where this President stands in the overall political spectrum of this country are wrong. Obama won the Electoral College (btw-a thoroughly archaic and undemocratic institution that needs to be abolished) and consequently the election. Obama won the popular vote by a comfortable margin as well, in both 2008 and 2012, and these were in scenarios where some 42 to 45% of eligible voters didn't even caste a ballot. Every analyst agrees, conservative and liberal, Republican and Democrat alike that as the turnout percentage rises (all things being equal) so does the liberal percentage of the vote. Consequently the American electorate (those people eligible to caste votes) is even MORE liberal and logic indicates even more favorable to Obama and Democratic Party policies than are the subset of the electorate that actually took part in the election. I'm sorry but your belief that Obama is severely out of step with the American people simply has no basis.

As for the ACA, it was passed by democratic means through Congress. It was subject to some severe negotiations and the GOP received major concessions during this process such as relaxing several aspects of the employer mandates. The Courts have found it to be constitutional as well with the exception of one particular aspect dealing with Medicaid expansion (the GOP should view this as another plus). The ACA is not socialized medicine (nor would single payer have been either btw). It leaves America's health care system right in the hands of private capitalists to make their money. The ACA provides some minimal protections and provides more (however not even close to all) Americans access to health care. The GOP has come up with absolutely no cohesive, coherent alternative plan. The Republican solution to America's health care crisis is to sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing while watching more and more Americans lose access to health insurance. And now the GOP's proposed answer is to roll back and delay implementation? For what? Until you guys take another decade or two to possibly, just maybe, offer an alternative solution? The ACA is an incredibly modest and conservative proposal in its scope and effect but even this is a bridge too far for you and the tea bagger wing of your party. Grow up and stop holding the entire nation hostage! If the GOP can come up with a politically saleable solution that might have a chance of sufficient support and passage then feel free to submit it (I won't hold my breath) at which time the ACA can be rescinded. Until then I would hope that any proposed delays at implementation of the ACA would be met as DEAD ON ARRIVAL by the Senate!!

@grunt. Preceding the election of November of 2012, official GOP state parties and their apparatchiks in numerous states attempted (with varying results) to restrict voter participation. This was done in various ways through either making it more difficult for citizens to register to vote or through making it more difficult to actually cast a ballot once registered or both. These efforts were launched primarily against people of color and low income communities disinclined to vote GOP. These Republican attempts are profoundly racist in both their intent and consequence. These efforts have been widely covered in the press but I think you know this.

@Jim #72. Just because something passes out of Rush Limbaugh's or Sean Hannity's mouth doesn't necessarily make it true.

@ #78. yawn.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #80 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:08 pm
@ Carl: I haven't spent much time reading your posts. You know, I don't have time to pick through the garbage of your mind. Therefore, judging from the one unintelligible post I did read, I quickly deduced that you were a frothing mouthed left wing liberal. Haha, your extremist opines are held by maybe 1 percent of the populace. So, you can stop patting yourself on your broad socialist back.

@FR86: You are kinda creepy with your attempts to get personal information out of me. Step back dude. I know that by not answering my question that even though you claim to be a Catholic and a Christian, you only believe the Bible where it fits your opinion. So, your attempts to convince me that you are other than left wing poser centrist that you obviously are are futile.
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Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #81 | Saturday, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Grunt: I, like you have my suspicions about the "resume" that FR86 gave us. We battled on gay marriage and anyone who didn't believe that churches should be forced to perform gay marriages was a "right wing conservative Christian" in his mind. I'm guessing his "resume" is as flawed as his politics.
Comment Profile Imagepeony
Comment #82 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:34 am
I must say that I agree with Carla about who is at fault for this mess. Also with Redneck, Kent and the others about the Tea Party being racist. I mean just look at the horrible things they put on their picket signs about the president when they protest. I mean their whole point of existence is to roll back the clock and make sure that blacks, hispanics, woman, gays and poor people stick to their place in society. Which is at the bottom, unfortunately.
Comment Profile ImageFR86
Comment #83 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:01 am
To Fallbrook Fan and Grunt

I have this image of you two sitting on the front porch of your retirement home wearing your Depends, VFW hats and metals badmouthing everybody that doesn't agree with you and putting labels on everybody.......like the two old Guys on the Muppets.

To Fallbrook Fan.......since you won't tell us about yourself we can only assume you have lots to hide.......To Grunt , we've met

Glad I could get you some excitement in your lives.
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #84 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:18 am
Regarding comment #81. FallbrookFan either suffers from early Alzheimer's or blatant mendacity. He attributed the same nonsense in previous discussions to me as well, claiming I was in favor of forcing churches to perform same sex marriages against their will. When I called him out on this, asking him to show any such reference I made to this effect, he refused. Fallbrook Fan also wrote on August 9th 2013 that he:

"heard a member of a gay organization on the Sean Hannity show revel in the fact that gay marriage was now legal in the State of California and that that would be the basis for suing churches that didn't perform gay marriages. They also went on to say that it was the first step in removing tax exempt status for churches and attempting to destroy religious institutions that don't accept the homosexual life style. You agreed that radical members of the gay community probably would sue churches. Several times since then you have basically said "trust me I'm a gay guy, no church will ever be sued for not performing a gay marriage. So you are lying."


The problem is that FallbrookFan and I never even discussed the topic until FallbrookFan brought it up via this TOTALLY FABRICATED NON-EXISTENT interchange. This supposed conversation doesn't even take place with any other commentator on the threads in question either. I've asked before that FallbrookFan substantiate this assertion by citing where we've had this interchange or where I've ever stated it was my belief that unwilling churches should be forced to perform same sex marriage. But again, he refuses because he made the whole thing up.

http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/

http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/71987


FallbrookFan suffers from either a severe cognitive disorder or an inability to truthfully convey factual information.
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Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #85 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:36 am
I agree with very little of Carla's overall political stances but I must say that I do agree with her characterization of FallbrookFan as a theocrat. He seems to feel that his religious views and biblical interpretations should somehow form the touchstone, the litmus test of who gets civil rights in this country and who does not. His views are very frightening indeed and wholly incompatible with the exercise of free religious expression within a pluralistic society.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #86 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:39 am
That's funny, peony, because all of the Tea Party people I know personally happen to be female, most of them would qualify as poor, and at least two are Hispanic. I guess broadly painting others with your own assumptions based on stereotypes might be something both sides need to work on.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #87 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:56 am
@Carla, no the republicans did NOT try to restrict voters, regardless of what the "Daily Worker" says; in many districts more than 100% of the eligible voters voted; remember Mickey Mouse signed up by "move on"? Remember the lady who admitted to voting absentee many, many times? Remember the Mexican citizen caught that had voted several times? Showing prove of eligibility to vote - something that Mexcio requires BTW, is not suppression, even tho the President of Mexico came to our nation and claimed it was.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #88 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:13 am
@Thanks Mr. Fascist Fan but the fact that you could quote parts of my post indicates that you have in fact read it. But I do realize you might have trouble digesting it all, you know polysyllabic words, rebuttals that consist of more than one sentence or don't start out with the phrase, "my bible says......". You really should refrain from writing and go back to doing what you do best, attending tea bagger rallies and hurling slurs at minorities or babbling on about imagined UN conspiracy theories. Consider yourself dismissed.

@grunt. Care to cite any of these alleged transgressions? Sources please.....
Comment Profile ImageFred
Comment #89 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Fret not my fellow Americans for the tea party scourge will be history soon enough. As an older white, heterosexual, middle class, Christian American, I feel free to say the following. Tea party people are just plain frightened. They shouldn't be reviled as they are just simply scared. The America that they thought they knew, which in fact never really existed, is about to be lost to them forever. The America that they are from or fantasize that they are from and want go back to, is changing and is doing so fast. They're frightened by seeing those that they've never had to encounter before. People of different colors, speaking different languages, gay people living openly without fear, different religions or none at all, women in non traditional gender roles, all this is very threatening to them. They're just scared. Please don't hate them. America continues to change and they'll be soon left behind.
Comment Profile ImageZZZ
Comment #90 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Your BELIEFS don't make you a 'better' person; your BEHAVIOR does...
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #91 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:44 pm
@Carla, sure, here are three links, (none from Fox), and i was mistaken, not move on, but acorn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAg3zDHn7pI, (womena admits voting 6 times for Obama ) http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/18/ohio-poll-worker-sentenced, http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6074157&page=1 (Admits fraud)
Comment Profile ImageSeriously??
Comment #92 | Sunday, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Carla, whether she likes it or not, is a member of the "ME" generation. She may consider herself a progressive liberal (read communist) but most of the people in her age group are more interested in "stuff" than they are in helping the so called, down trodden. They are not about to share what they have with anybody. Good luck with those leftie politics honey, unless all your peers get lobotomies, it isn't going to happen for you. I'm guessing you will end up being one of those old ladies with long gray hair, wearing Birkenstocks and socks, and living in Berkeley.
Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #93 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Carla, have you EVER stepped foot in a socialist/communist country? Yes or no.
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #94 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:33 pm
As an extension to my comment #25 above, my dear fellow Fallbrookers, I can rather EASILY prove to you that the concept called government does NOT work:

Ours is currently shut down.

So if you want to explain to me how this riveting concept is, well, riveting, please, let's hear it!
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Comment Profile ImageLee
Comment #95 | Monday, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:57 pm
@ #78 I Found It!

Yes, and you can thank our money-draining and all-consuming military-industrial complex, NOT Wall Street, for taking our country down the toilet!
Comment Profile ImagePreston
Comment #96 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:15 am
And this folks is the reason we can't get it together and properly manage our Government -- We would rather bicker and insult rather than unify and constructively work on solutions to the problems we face as a people.
By the way, the ship is sinking.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #97 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:10 pm
@grunt. That's it? This is your evidence for some sort of nationwide epidemic of voter fraud?

First off, these three links reference only two events. The first, a woman in Ohio who has plead no contest to four counts of voter fraud. She submitted two ballots for herself, one by absentee ballot then another by voting in person at the polls the day of the election. She also plead guilty to illegally marking a ballot for her disabled brother. I can't figure out from the sources you provide what the fourth count was about. Perhaps mail fraud? But that is only speculation on my part. Nevertheless, in her earlier statements she maintained her innocence of the other allegations and the fact is, she was not convicted on those charges. Also there was no mention if her second ballot was even counted. I highly suspect it was not as CA and other states have safeguards to prevent tabulation of duplicate ballots from the same voter.

The other citation of voter fraud in the report from ABC concerning ACORN stems from an incident dating back to 2006. Here people were being paid to register new voters and fraudulently registered non-existent individuals or simply copied names and addresses out of phone books. There is no evidence presented that indicates that any of these bogus registrations resulted in any fraudulent votes being cast. btw- I went to Nevada for several weeks late last summer and worked as an unpaid volunteer registering new voters. I mentioned this in a comment here on the VN about a year ago. (http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/66369/) Because of this I feel I have some basic familiarity with the process.

We're a nation of 320 million people. When conducting elections involving an electorate of more than 200 million people, there are going to be improprieties. But it is widely conceded that these are few and far between and have no effect upon electoral outcome, and certainly not on a national or statewide level.

Despite this fact, the GOP has attempted, under the guise of supposedly curtailing voter fraud, to disenfranchise American citizens of one of the most fundamental rights in a democracy, the right to vote. In places like Ohio, Florida and other states controlled by the GOP, voting hours were deliberately reduced, attempts were made to curtail or abolish early voting and mail in balloting.. In Ohio, election officials were even ordered to divert resources from largely Democratic and people of color communities and move them to more Republican leaning areas. Numerous large precincts were deliberately combined (on orders from that state's Republican Secretary of State) in urban and Democratic leaning areas with no increase in polling stations or precinct workers so that the result was that there were people standing in lines for HOURS waiting to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Similar things occurred in numerous other states apart from Ohio, most notably highly contested states such as Florida, Colorado, Pennsylvania and others. Mike Turzai, a Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania even got up in front of a group of GOP donors and bragged that the intent of these new laws was to keep Obama supporters from voting and to make it possible for Romney to win in that state. In a separate interview, the Republican State Chairman, Robert Gleason also admitted this as well.

In several other high profile instances we've now seen Republican office holders and GOP campaign management openly admit that these measures were taken not to combat alleged fraud but for the express purpose of blocking access to the ballot box. For example in an interview:

"former governor Charlie Crist (R-FL) and former GOP chairman Jim Greer (R-FL), as well as several current GOP members, told the Post that Republican consultants pushed the new measures as a way to suppress Democratic voters. Crist expanded early voting hours in 2008 despite party pressure, but Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL) targeted early voting almost immediately when he took office in 2011. Scott’s administration claimed the new laws were meant to curb in-person voter fraud, despite the fact that an individual in Florida is more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud."

"former Florida Republican Party Chair Jim Greer, who admitted the party held meetings about strategies (including reductions in early voting) for "keeping blacks from voting."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/judith-browne-dianis/top-10-voter-suppression_b_2348574.html

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/26/1234171/florida-republicans-admit-voter-suppression-was-the-goal-of-new-election-laws/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/06/25/gop-state-rep-admits-voter-id-is-to-allow-election-rigging-video/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/20/pennsylvania-republican-chairman-brags-about-voter-suppression-law-hurting-democrats-in-2012-video/

And finally grunt you said up in #87 " in many districts more than 100% of the eligible voters voted". What are you talking about? Do you honestly expect any sane person to blindly accept the dumb idea that there are Congressional and state legislative districts where more than 100% of the eligible voters turned out? Turn off Faux News and stop listening to Limbaugh and company! Where are these "many districts", grunt? Name them, I dare you!
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #98 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm
@Carla - the Village News does not have the space to print everything - I have answered your accusations, now you tell me when/where/how legal voters were suppressed. Like normal, you "demand" references, then when you get them you try to blow them off - "well, it was only a few you mentioned". The hours for voting are the same for dems and reps - everything else you claim is not fact - just more from the Daily Worker. i am done discussing with you - you ignore all facts and just chant. Try to write without the socialist adjectives; try your own thoughts
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Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #99 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:33 pm
@Lee, leave out the details? How about 13 months gone from home? How about weeks in the field for training? How about multiple six-months deployments aboard Navy shipping, not to mention several combat tours – these the details you mean?
Yes, my pay was from he taxes you, and I pay, just like the cops, the people who oversee commerce, the FDA, congress, and federal welfare. Work two jobs? There were many the time I wished I COULD have “moonlighted” – but 3-4 days in the field, sometimes multiple weeks in he field, 24 hour duty during the week and weekend, deployments, not to mention the routine 10-12 hour days eliminated any chance to schedule a part time job. Selfish – “in it for the pay”? I could have done much better as a civilian – my first pay check as a civilian after retiring from the Corps was more than any pay check while in, I could have gotten out and made more “outside”. The pension does not cover expenses, almost every Marine I know that is retired works a civilian job. Do not lover my country??? How dare you sir, I have sacrificed my health, wealth and family to serve this country – having been in 30 counties, I know that America is the best, did it for the pay? I welcome you to go to Camp Pendleton and live with a rifle company for a week – then tell me how much pay you would need- we do it for the love of our country. Don’t care about civilians? I do not know you, nor you me, but I belive that I have done more, as a civilian, in volunteer, charity and church work for my community than you can dream of. Hate civilians? Why I like them so much I married one. You and few like you, seem to fear the military man – maybe all MEN, so you devise this “hate” – as Pink has offered you – come to the VFW, see how you are treated. The only hate is from you to us. Finally, in all seriousness, I strongly advise you to use care when calling a Marine, past or present a son of a B** to his face – you would not like the outcome. I could say more on that subject, but then I would sink to your level of hatred.
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Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #100 | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:36 pm
FR86 #83, nah, I am too busy enjoying life to do that - my medals are stowed awaiting my call to man the gates of Heaven, and I seldom label anyone - as for the depends - i don;t need them, just let the "chips" fall where they may.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #101 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:52 am
No problem, grunt. I understand. You can't make a case that there exists any threat to our democratic process by voter fraud but argue that it is still ok to construct all kinds of obstacles and barriers to prevent the poor and people of color from participating. And when I show you proof, statements by Republican office holders and GOP party officials, that it was done with a racist intent and to try to keep Democratic voters from exercising their legal right to vote, you suddenly can't respond? Then despite these outrageous, racist attempts to throw an election you still go on and say that these bogus measures are needed and implying that elections are being stolen from the GOP by advancing a complete fabrication that "in many districts more than 100% of the eligible voters voted". You're essentially saying that elections are being stolen but somehow can't respond in any meaningful way? You can't cite any basis, not one single solitary shred of evidence for this outrageous contention, can't name even one Congressional or state legislative district anywhere in the country where this has supposedly happened because of the space parameters afforded to you by this newspaper? Are you for real?

Fine! Go run away and hide!
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #102 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:27 am
Carla - 1) I showed you documeneted fraud. 2) You did not show anything shwoing racist intent. Here is one link http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/fulton-election-results-show-more-100-turnout-4-pr/nQCzY/ on more than 100% voters. READ, RESEARCH, THINK. Don't just listen.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #103 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:33 am
Carla, I find many of your arguments racist. It's racist to believe that only rich white people have the brains to figure out how to get an ID (free in many states) to vote. I find it racist to say that "people of color" (wow) are too stupid, unmotivated, uneducated, whatever word the Democrats try studiously to avoid, to go and out and vote without the help of the Democrat party.

Whatever would non-whites do without you helping from your high horse of racism, constantly telling them they aren't possibly good enough to get through life the way white people do without bringing race into the argument (to lower the bar, I guess? because they can't possibly do what white people do, just not capable, right?) I'm pretty sure most "people of color" are capable of figuring out how to get an ID card, even though you seem to be sure they are not. Who is the racist?
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #104 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:54 am
Maybe I missed it Carla, but how is asking for identification for voters disenfranchising them? Government IDs are available for little or no cost. I need identification to pick up my kids from school, to get into the DNC convention, to pick up a package from the post office, I was even informed by Oceanside PD that they expect you to carry an ID at the beach. So, given all of the requirements that government has for us to carry IDs, how can the Southern Poverty Law Center and other wacked out liberal organizations get the courts to mandate that presenting an ID to vote is a lower level priority than picking up a package at USPS? Its merely the Obama administration and the Dimocrats trying to get as many sympathetic voters to the polls to vote for them, regardless of the legality of their vote.

www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

If Mitt Romney had won certain precincts in Utah with 100% of the vote, you and the rest of the lefties would have been screaming about voter fraud. As it stands, when Obama gets 100% in multiple precincts in various cities, its just business as usual. Keep up the good partisan and non objective work and continue suspending logic.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #105 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:27 am
102- When a GOP official is quoted as in one of the above sources as saying that their proposed changes were done with the purpose of "keeping blacks from voting", that's not a racist intent? Do you just mindlessly regurgitate the propaganda that you are fed and simply incapable of any independent thought?

Also, the precincts referenced by your citation did NOT have more than 100% of the eligible voters turn out. This was a computer error and consequently those results were NEVER certified because it NEVER happened. If you walk into your bank and hand the teller a $100 bill to deposit into your checking account and that teller accidently keys in an additional 0, do you really think you have now deposited $1,000? No you have not. At the end of the business day the error will be corrected. You NEVER had an additional $900. It was all a fiction in the first place. But I'm sure in your case you'd come onto the VN blog a year later still blathering on and on about how you were supposedly 'defrauded' and had $900 'stolen' from you.

Btw-here is what the League of Women Voters had to say about this very incident (but I'm sure according to you they're nothing more than a bunch of subversive radical feminists)

"Like many of you, our eyebrows raised when we first read this headline out of Georgia: “Fulton election results show more than 100% turnout in 4 precincts.” The culprit causing strange turnout during this primary election? Confusion at the polls over newly redistricted precincts. Because Fulton County failed to revise their voter rolls in time, many voters were erroneously listed in the wrong districts and thus showed up at the wrong place to vote."

Even as many state leaders bang the drum about non-existent problems like voter impersonation and continue their misguided campaigns to erect harmful barriers like voter photo ID requirements (which Georgia has enacted), this story is an important reminder that the bulk of election irregularities actually occur because of administrative challenges at the polling place--or a simple lack of good information getting to voters in the first place. "

http://www.lwv.org/blog/georgia-exceeds-100-voter-turnout

@103. ok, I get it. You clearly believe that it is ok to erect all kinds of barriers to voting in poc communities and that making poc wait in line for hours to exercise their right to vote and other actions that disproportionately impact their ability to vote is nothing more than a legit campaign strategy. But what other reaction could one possibly expect from a racist such as yourself but to defend one of the very historical mechanisms of racist hegemony in this country, restricted access to the franchise? If you wish to maintain any legitimacy to the already tenuous notion that this country is truly a representative democracy then I'd advise you and your GOP friends to reconsider your strategies. Unreconstructed white racists may continue to support these underhanded tactics but the new and rapidly emerging demographic realities in this country won't!

@104. Mr. Fascist Fan. In the source you cited, not one precinct reported over 100%. Yes, there will be precincts in places given the racist history of this country and its existing legacy of segregated housing patterns where everyone will vote for one particular candidate. People of color rejected the party of avowed racism and voted for Obama overwhelmingly and this should surprise you?

But before we continue, are you still a fascist theocrat? Do you think you owe BGG an explanation for your lie you told about him above? How about FR86? Do you think that everybody who disagrees with you is involved in some nefarious plot to force your precious little church into performing same sex marriages? Do you really think any sane, rational person cares what your opinion is about anything? I know I don't.
Comment Profile ImageGreatly amused
Comment #106 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Looks like Carla has hit a nerve with the Repub righters. They certainly don't like to be reminded that they are the party of racism in this country. Nixon's southern strategy, Governor Pete Wilson anyone? Little did they count on the changing make up of society and that young people like Carla aren't buying their divide and conquer. I do have to agree with Fred above, they're headed for oblivion so you probably should calm down just a wee bit Carla since you're young enough to witness their final act. I only wish I could say the same for me.
Comment Profile ImageFR86-INDEPENDENT
Comment #107 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Coming back on topic...............

An interesting observation to me is the fact that despite the Government Shutdown we all seem to be surviving which implies that we don't need the government we have in all its entirety.

Carla, nice to have you back spewing your intellectual palaver but you need to get back on your meds.

FR86
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Comment #108 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Another interesting point. Given some of the venom (including mine when provoked) I had no idea that some of the people here in Fallbrook were so antagonistic towards one another.......I know the anonymity of the internet makes everyone braver but the next time I'm in line at the grocery store I'll be more careful and not poke the junkyard dogs in the eye with a stick if you know what I mean.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #109 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Carla - Jim Greer was a FORMER official removed in 2010 BEFORE the election, so doubtful he had any idea what/why. Using the same data, even if from three web sites, does not make it three times as strong. The reference to Penn - twisting words and claiming "some republicans" say - How about I claim to be a socialist (whatever it is you are) and make any statement I feel then say this is how the socialist feel? Again, read various sources, look for the tell-tell signs of bias and twisting, then go to the source as much as you can. This is research, used to be taught in High Schools and Colleges. Do not just regurgitate what you hear as fact. And, to gain respect, stop with the automatic "racist" name tags if some one disagrees with you; try to have a discussion on the merits; why do you call Seriously a racist? Are all whites racist? Are no blacks racist?
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Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #110 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:38 pm
@ Carla - Jim Greer was a FORMER official removed in 2010 BEFORE the election, so doubtful he had any idea what/why. Using the same data, even if from three web sites, does not make it three times as strong. The reference to Penn - twisting words and claiming "some republicans" say - How about I claim to be a socialist (whatever it is you are) and make any statement I feel then say this is how the socialist feel? Again, read various sources, look for the tell-tell signs of bias and twisting, then go to the source as much as you can. This is research, used to be taught in High Schools and Colleges. Do not just regurgitate what you hear as fact. Try to sound grown up, stop with the "racist" tag on everyone and anyone who disagrees with you - like Seriously. when you use it like you do you cheapen the word and lessen it's effect when a racist action happens.
Comment Profile Imagegrunt
Comment #111 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:18 pm
FR86 - agreed; and I have no animosity toward you; like that you "label" yourself independent now :-)
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #112 | Wednesday, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:22 pm
@grunt- When Republicans advocate for policies that have disparate impacts upon different racial groups, and are not only aware of this but push for these policies precisely BECAUSE of their racist effects, they are advocating racism. It's really that simple. Greer may be gone because he can't continue his work of disenfranchising Florida's poor and minority population from a jail cell, but his policies that he developed were and are still being carried out by the party. Oh and give it a rest about how you supposedly reject stereotyping. You're one of the biggest red baiters (ex. Daily Worker?) on here because you're either too ignorant or intellectually lazy to debate on the merits the political views you hold.
Comment Profile ImageSeriously
Comment #113 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:39 am
Carla, how exactly are they setting it up so that it's more difficult for "poc" to vote than anyone else? EVERYONE would have to show ID. Again, tell me why "poc" are not able to acquire ID?

When everyone follows the same rules, it's not discrimination. Discrimination is assuming someone can not do something that a person of a different color can, simply because of the color of their skin. I assume everyone has equal potential, regardless of their color, you apparently don't. Certain races must be protected by you, because they are not capable of making it on their own, under the same rules other races do. Oddly enough, YOU label ME racist because I happen to believe skin color does not matter. How do you square this, logically, in your own mind?

Just in case you do reply, I'm not a rich white racist Republican male - that way you can save those personal attacks for someone more deserving.
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #114 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:36 am
Carla Marxist/Fascist. I really do feel sorry for you. You are embarrassing yourself. I know you have never stepped in a Communist country, if so you'd appreciate our system of government and stop your illogical yapping. You act like some college freshman who just got accepted to the sorority with the worst reputation on campus. You're so happy to be accepted by somebody (the Marxist sorority) and nobody told you it has a horrible reputation and the members are dwindling rapidly. You run around with this badge of courage attitude that being a Fascist/Marxist pseudo intellectual makes you a member of some exclusive intellectual club. Newsflash, we all know that your political ideology has a failed history of oppression, brutal human rights violations, dictatorship, millions of murders to silence opposition, sub poverty standards of living and the list goes on and on. Marxism/Communism/Fascism are all the same. There hasn't been one successful communist country. They all abuse the citizens for the enrichment of the ruling class. So while you yap on about how great Marxist/Communist/Fascism is, remember that the leaders of your failed political ideology are the worst the world has ever seen: Adolph Hitler (11 MILLION MURDERED ), Joseph Stalin (20-60 MILLION MURDERED), Khmer Rouge (4 million or over half its population murdered or starved to death), North Korea (4 million killed) and the list goes on and on. The list of atrocities and consistent abuse of the citizenry under your pathetic political ideology is the worst the world has ever seen. So while you're all happy espousing your failed political ideology with a history of oppression, murder and sub poverty standard of living levels of its citizenry, we are snickering at you because of your naivete. I think you owe all of us an apology for your lack of respect and appreciation for this great country that gives you the freedom to espouse such moronic ideas.
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Comment #115 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:04 am
Carla Marxist: Seriously, that's the best you've got? You are presented with the statistical improbability of these precincts where 100% of the vote went to Obama and the best you've got is "well at least they didn't pull a Chicago and let dead people vote". LMAO. The worst abuses of citizens and the voting process is the Democratic party and the shenanigans they've pulled over the years. Remember it is the Democrats who set up Jim Crow laws and were the racists who sought to put road blocks in the paths of minority voters for years. Yet, you yammer on and on and on about the GOP suppressing minorities, but the party you defend is by far the worst the country has ever seen on minority voting suppression. So here is a clear example of the differences between the U.S and your Fascist/Marxist/Communist utopia. In the U.S. racist Democrats have put up road blocks for minorities to vote, in Fascist/Marxist/Communist countries, you just ethnic cleanse them out of existence. How did you become so racist and bigoted toward white people? What made you hate the white race? Why have you become such a racist? Are you a white person filled with self hatred?

You know nothing of my conversation with BGG. I don't owe him an apology for calling him out on his lies. I can't find the original thread, but he made statements, I called him out on them and now he's backtracking.
The same goes for FR86.

LMAO, somehow you don't care what my opinions are, but you read everything I say and comment. You are lying again. So, when are you going to apologize to us for your lack of respect at God blessing you with residency in the greatest country the world has ever seen?
Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #116 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Regarding #115 FallbrookFan has repeatedly claimed that I was in favor of forcing unwilling churches to perform same sex marriages against their will. I have never written any such thing nor have I ever held such a view in my entire life. When I have repeatedly asked FallbrookFan to substantiate his contention he refuses because I have never advocated nor ever written anything of the kind. FallbrookFan is using blatant mendacity to try to win an argument. Repeat: FallbrookFan suffers from either a severe cognitive disorder or an inability to truthfully convey factual information.

Again I am asking FallbrookFan to cite where I have ever made such a remark or retract his assertion. The referenced links below contain the entirety of all mutual dialog that FallbrookFan and I have engaged in this forum (other than this thread).

http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/72555/
http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/71987
Comment Profile ImageFallbrook Fan
Comment #117 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Okay BGG, lets make this quick because I'm busy Relative to the fanciful allegations that I owe you an apology:

1. Did you or did you not say multiple times that no member of the gay community is going to force Christian churches to marry them or change the way we practice our religion?

2. I told you that I had heard a gay rights leader on the Sean Hannity show exalting in the fact that gay marriage will now be legal in the State of California and this is the first step to getting them (churches) to recognize their (gay) lifestyle and remove nonprofit status from churches and ultimately tear down churches as institutions. Do you deny that that there are members of the gay community that hold those views?

3. Do you deny that now that gay marriage is legal in state of CA, that they can now use the Unruh Act to say that their civil rights are being violated if a church performs hetro marriages, they will be forced to perform homo marriages?

4. So do you still agree that #1 is a factual statement? You know better and you know that there are gay people lining up to sue Christian churches because they feel slighted because we have never accepted the gay (sinful) lifestyle.

5. End of story.....
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Comment #118 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm
BGG: I have never meant to say that you personally are in favor of forcing churches to marry homosexuals. Show me where I said that you personally would be forcing a church to marry you!!! But time after time you have denied that gays in general will want to force churches to marry them. I have always taken issue with those naive statements. I ask you to answer the questions above and tell me whether what you said multiple times is in fact a lie. If they will take a bakery in Oregon before their Civil Rights Commission because they won't make a cake for a gay wedding, they will most certainly take a church to court over denying "civil rights" to homosexual couples by refusing to marry them. You either agree to what I posted above, lie and deny it will happen, or provide unedited copy where I say that you personally will force a church to marry you. The ball is in your court.
Comment Profile ImageBonallGayGuy
Comment #119 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:15 pm
"regarding comment #117

#1. What I have said is that churches can not be legally forced to conduct same sex marriages against their will.

#2. How can I possibly do that? I can no more deny the view or objectives of other gay men or lesbians (whether they be held by just one gay extremist or several) any more than you can deny a particular view or objective of other Christians (whether held by just one Christian extremist or several). You also went on to claim that I said that I "agreed that radical members of the gay community probably would sue churches" I never made any such statement as I do not have control over the litigation practices of any other individual other than myself. This is the United States of America. Anyone can sue anyone alleging anything knowing full well it would be thrown out of court as having no legal basis whatsoever. Then you went on to say that I said "trust me I'm a gay guy, no church will ever be sued for not performing a gay marriage". The problem is I NEVER SAID THIS. And we NEVER HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONVERSATION regarding Sean Hannity in which I supposedly made this admission. It did NOT OCCUR!!

What I have repeatedly said is that a church can not be forced to conduct same sex weddings contrary to its religious beliefs because of the constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of religion in both the California State and United States Federal Constitution.

#3.Yes, I deny that the Unruh Act can be used to overcome or nullify the freedom of religion guarantees of both our state and federal constitutions.

#4. answered

Regarding comment #118. Regarding your statement "I have never meant to say that you personally are in favor of forcing churches to marry homosexuals". Good!! It really bothered me profoundly that someone might think that I was personally advocating that I had any sort of moral or ethical right to personally interject myself into someone else's church or religious practices in this manner. I am relieved to know now that you do not ascribe these objectives to me personally.

"If they will take a bakery in Oregon before their Civil Rights Commission because they won't make a cake for a gay wedding, they will most certainly take a church to court over denying "civil rights" to homosexual couples by refusing to marry them" A bakery is a public accommodation. A church used for religious purposes is not.
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Comment #120 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Further regarding comment #118. Here are some quotes that you asked for. I've quoted the whole passages since you've requested that I provide "unedited copy" where you, FallbrookFan, say that I, BonsallGayGuy, personally will force a church to marry you. More specifically the salient passages are in comment #47 below "I suspect the Unruh act is what you and other homosexuals will be using to force churches to perform gay marriages against our convictions?" and in comment #48 "when you force us to perform gay marriages so you can thumb your nose at religious institutions"


FallbrookFanComment #47 | Thursday, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:55 pm
nice ad hominem on the Unruh Act. The only problem is that no black or Jew ever had their civil rights violated by that physician. Except for the lesbian couple who went out trolling and found what they were looking for (a Conservative Christian Ob/gyn to set up and sue), the physician has had a pristine record of serving the public. Why don't you trot down there and try to force them to perform an abortion while you are at it? One or both of the lesbian couple was an illegal alien and when that fact was brought up, law enforcement didn't deport them as they should have. What happened was a clear violation of the doctor's right to practice their religion. The couple was referred to another doctor without the same religious convictions and they had a healthy baby!!! What injury occurred other than litigious lesbians got a free payday at the hands of religious freedom? I suspect the Unruh act is what you and other homosexuals will be using to force churches to perform gay marriages against our convictions? You make me sick with how you portray this as an innocuous little ruling and how innocent it is. What the gay movement sought and won ( for now) the prostitution of the term marriage. Next up on your agenda is abolishing religious institutions
http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/71987


Comment #48 | Thursday, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Bonsallgayguy: #20: I assume the Unruh Act is what you're going to use to make sure your civil rights aren't "violated" while our religious freedoms mean nothing when you force us to perform gay marriages so you can thumb your nose at religious institutions? Why couldn't civil unions with the same legal benefits of marriage not sufficed??the message is clear: you first sought to destroy the institution of marriage and next on your agenda are religious institutions who don't accept you or your lifestyle. End of discussion.

Let there be no ambiguity, it has been the gay movement that has been drama queening around for the last 20 years claiming victim hood and martyrdom. The religious movement has merely asked that you not force your lifestyles on us. We welcome you in our pews, we just don't ask you push what we know as sin on us as being legal, moral and natural. The first step of your agenda, the prostitution of the term marriage, has temporarily been accomplished. The next step is via the Unruh act to start to destroy religious institutions by forcing us to perform gay marriages. Nice try at trying to deflect your motives on Christians. You have been caught red handed. End of discussion

http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/71987
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Comment Profile ImageBonsallGayGuy
Comment #121 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Oh and FallbrookFan, I've not requesting an apology. I am however requesting that you now retract your baseless allegation against me and refrain in the future from personally accusing me of this from now on.

Thank You.
Comment Profile ImageCarla
Comment #122 | Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:55 pm
@113 Untrue.A law can be thoroughly racist because of widely differing impacts upon one group versus another. For example, federal mandatory sentencing laws for the possession of crack cocaine versus those for possession of its powdered variant. Same law...greatly disparate effects and TOTALLY racist.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/42871/fair-sentencing-act-are-crack-cocaine-laws-intentionally-racist

@Fascist Fan You can't distinguish the difference politically between Francois Hollande , Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler? lol!!!!!! Here, let's try something simple. This might help.
Fascist/ an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization(from Merriam Webster).
Now drag out a mirror and take a look. See a resemblance?

Listen, FF. This has been fun and all but I do have an exam tomorrow......

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